RabidJohn 1,665 Posted July 22, 2023 FWIW, I'd still give a shukun-sho to Nishikigi. Arasoi leader, all those sanyaku scalps and double digits deserve it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Akinomaki said: Gonoyama and Shonannoumi also can reach the 10 wins - all 3 new makuuchi getting the newcomer sansho would likely be a first Triple 10+ has happened before, only one sansho though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,815 Posted July 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Seiyashi said: 8 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Actually, young Ichinojo took Makuuchi by storm. 13-2 JY and a Sekiwake promotion - Hokuseiho can only dream of such success. Well, Hakuōho is certainly not dreaming of that success. He is having a similarly storming basho as Ichinojō, except he is doing it one basho less and one year younger, and it's not his fault there are no ōzeki or yokozuna worthy enough to greet him. And if he does grab the yūshō it'll be something Ichinojō never achieved at this stage. True, but we were talking about Hokuseiho. 1 hour ago, Seiyashi said: Very badly off topic, but is Hokutofuji the first sekitori in a while to have a hairline that's receding that badly? Still has some roots to shed till he gets close to Hakurozan. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, RabidJohn said: FWIW, I'd still give a shukun-sho to Nishikigi. Arasoi leader, all those sanyaku scalps and double digits deserve it. Recency bias. A strong finish always gets rewarded more than a strong start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: True, but we were talking about Hokuseiho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: Gino-sho for Hoshoryu without a doubt, unconditional Kanto-sho for Hokutofuji unconditional Kanto-sho for Hakuoho unconditional Shukun-sho for Hakuoho conditional Kanto-sho for winner of Kotonowaka vs Ryuden (because of Daddy Sadogatake) No way they're giving Ryuden a sansho for cleaning up at the bottom of the division. After an 0-4 start, no less, causing him to miss out on the yusho race hijinks nearly altogether. 4 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Recency bias. A strong finish always gets rewarded more than a strong start. No, that's not how it works with sansho. Edited July 22, 2023 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakura 1,472 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Recency bias. A strong finish always gets rewarded more than a strong start. I remember Okinoumi's strong start at Aki 2016 and weak finish. He still got the shukun-sho Edited July 22, 2023 by Sakura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 22, 2023 Just now, Sakura said: I remembefr Okinoumi's strong start at Aki 2016 and weak finish. He still got the shukun-sho Sometimes judges have a longer memory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,815 Posted July 22, 2023 I really want so see a Hakuoho-Hokutofuji rematch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: No way they're giving Ryuden a sansho for cleaning up at the bottom of the division. After an 0-4 start, no less, causing him to miss out on the yusho race hijinks nearly altogether. Ryuden flew under the radar, getting an easier schedule. This has to be taken into account. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bakayokozuna 52 Posted July 22, 2023 I am always rooting for Arashio beya guys but yeah, i wasnt mad at this Wakamotoharu loss at all. A henka now? Meh. Well it failed and now the ozeki run is not looking so great. That would need like a 13-2 in aki IF he beats asanoyama tomorrow. Good luck with that, ill be back at cheering for him ofc Hoshoryu ? Hakuoho? Hokutofuji? Im fine with any outcome ! This will be a great day of sumo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sakura said: I remembefr Okinoumi's strong start at Aki 2016 and weak finish. He still got the shukun-sho Or Kyokutenho, or Ikioi, or Asanoyama, or Shimanoumi... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,478 Posted July 22, 2023 I think Waka misunderstood my Fozzy bear proposal. I wanted them to wear Muppet mawashi, not be jokes on the dohyo. :( 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,802 Posted July 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: Triple 10+ has happened before, only one sansho though. Ah yes, that last time they denied a (/2) 10-5 newbie a sansho 13 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: 13 minutes ago, Sakura said: I remember Okinoumi's strong start at Aki 2016 and weak finish. He still got the shukun-sho Sometimes judges have a longer memory. Judges are only a tiny part of the sansho committee. The shukun-sho is different from the kanto-sho in this respect: the kanto-sho for having been in the lead is usually only awarded to those in the lead in the end, being the sole leader in the first week means nothing there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) Might as well offer my wild guess. Shukun-sho Hoshoryu conditional on shiroboshi Gino-sho Kotonowaka conditional on shiroboshi Gino-sho Nishikigi Kanto-sho Hokutofuji conditional on shiroboshi Kanto-sho Hakuoho Shukun-sho Hakuoho conditional on yusho Edit: On further consideration, no, probably no condition on Hokutofuji. Being tied for the yusho lead before Day 15 should be enough, even if 11 wins isn't really an outstanding score at that rank for someone with his top division history. Edited July 22, 2023 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,160 Posted July 22, 2023 12 hours ago, dingo said: By the way how about Ryuden? Nine wins in a row after a 0-4 start is nothing short of amazing. 10 wins now, can he go for 11? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,727 Posted July 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Bakayokozuna said: A henka now? Meh. Well it failed Per previous discussion, we now refer to a henka that leads to a loss as a lame henka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrGrumpyGills 119 Posted July 22, 2023 In that case it was even a pathetic henka, not just lame 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
visitor_22 27 Posted July 22, 2023 What do you think guys? Will Hokutofuji beat Nishikigi & beat Hoshoryu/Hakuoho winner in Playoffs or winner of the tournement will come out of Hoshoryu vs Hakuoho match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
visitor_22 27 Posted July 22, 2023 Today at Miyagino beya... 3 2 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 582 Posted July 22, 2023 44 minutes ago, visitor_22 said: Today at Miyagino beya... This is brilliant! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chartorenji 235 Posted July 22, 2023 50 minutes ago, visitor_22 said: Today at Miyagino beya... Took me a second to see Hakuoho very well done. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted July 22, 2023 10 hours ago, Kashunowaka said: I am not a torikumi maker, but Hokutofuji gets Nishikigi? Since the yusho line is going to be 12-3 Nishikigi is now out of the running and he is on a losing streak. Surely Kotonowaka would have been a much worthier opponent for Hokutofuji. You're absolutely right. I think they got fixated on Hokutofuji v. Nishikigi, waited too long to pull the trigger on it, and then didn't pivot when it became meaningless for one of them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted July 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Asashosakari said: Triple 10+ has happened before, only one sansho though. Do you think that's a precedent and Shonann and Gonoyama will miss out because they've been overshadowed by Hakuoho? I believe that was the last time a double-digit-win debutant missed out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, visitor_22 said: Today at Miyagino beya... Let's give credit to the creator, the invaluable @SumoFollower on Twitter 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
