Jakusotsu 5,806 Posted July 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: We can have a real anticlimax though if Hokutofuji and Wakamotoharu win tomorrow. No ozeki promotion and the yusho decided on day 14. That's exactly what I picked in SekiToto, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankegami 412 Posted July 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: We can have a real anticlimax though if Hokutofuji and Wakamotoharu win tomorrow. No ozeki promotion and the yusho decided on day 14. And Nishikigi loses as well? Well, this would be awkward, since we would get a bunch of 10-5J. Last time it happened was Haru 2003, and overall it occurred in a grand total of three basho (1968.05, 1972.01, 2003.03) since the beginning of the 15-day tournament era (see query). Why I am suddenly intrigued by this possibility? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dada78641 884 Posted July 21, 2023 Is there even the slightest chance that Hakuoho doesn't get the fighting spirit prize? What a boss. He's destined for greatness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 384 Posted July 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, dada78641 said: Is there even the slightest chance that Hakuoho doesn't get the fighting spirit prize? What a boss. He's destined for greatness. The (if unwritten) rule is that 10 wins on your makuuchi debut is good enough for the fighting spirit prize. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,756 Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Hankegami said: And Nishikigi loses as well? Well, this would be awkward, since we would get a bunch of 10-5J. Nishiki losing to Ryuden and then winning to Hokutofuji, when it doesn't matter any more - we can still have plenty of 11-4J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,663 Posted July 21, 2023 Am I imagining things, or has Kinbozan markedly improved his yotsu in the last 2 months? He may not be pulling any trees up, but he's not looking helpless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,756 Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Kamitsuumi said: The (if unwritten) rule is that 10 wins on your makuuchi debut is good enough for the fighting spirit prize. For an intermediate period it was not a sure thing, but the last to be denied it this way were Myogiryu and Shohozan Kyushu 2011 (I had thought there was somebody else later) http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=10-15&form1_m=on&form1_debutd=on&form1_ns=on 11 was always enough, older cases are before the introduction of sansho Edited July 21, 2023 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, RabidJohn said: He may not be pulling any trees up I remember his nice clean tsuridashi agains Chiyoshoma back in Haru. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,159 Posted July 21, 2023 Daieisho was showing very solid sumo at the beginning of the basho but it slowly started to unravel until it wasn't the Daieisho of last basho anymore. The losses crept in one by one until he turned into the old Daieisho, prone to overextending and occasional bellyflops. And dare I say, that isn't ozeki sumo. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,478 Posted July 21, 2023 I'm not sure that either Waka or Daieisho will be able to pick up their necessary three wins in their final two matches without some rather preposterous ringside antics involving a botched matta, at least three complicit shimpan, and an explosive ikebana arrangement. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,376 Posted July 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Benevolance said: I'm not sure that either Waka or Daieisho will be able to pick up their necessary three wins in their final two matches There's a koan in there somewhere... "A wrestler has two matches. He wins three". 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 974 Posted July 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Bakayokozuna said: Hakuoho can potentially take the yusho in his 4th ozumo tournament... crazy Nope. I want Hokutofuji to take the Yusho in his 50th tournament. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,631 Posted July 22, 2023 6 hours ago, robnplunder said: Nope. I want Hokutofuji to take the Yusho in his 50th tournament. If Hokutofuji were to do this, when was the last time that the Rijicho of the NSK had a wrestler from his own heya win the yusho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,806 Posted July 22, 2023 36 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said: If Hokutofuji were to do this, when was the last time that the Rijicho of the NSK had a wrestler from his own heya win the yusho? If I'm not mistaken it was Kitabayama in July 1963. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,159 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) By the way how about Ryuden? Nine wins in a row after a 0-4 start is nothing short of amazing. Edited July 22, 2023 by dingo Spelling 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted July 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, dingo said: By the way how about Ryuden? Nine wins in a row after a 0-4 start is nothing short of amazing. He's like the reverse Takayasu. Might spoil someone's slim hope of the yūshō but not a contender nor likely to be matched against the real contenders, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,132 Posted July 22, 2023 And an amateur great locks in juryo promotion in just his second basho. Go go Onosato 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Katooshu said: And an amateur great locks in juryo promotion in just his second basho. Go go Onosato Pfffft, needed two basho? Someone did it in one! Edited July 22, 2023 by Seiyashi 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,132 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) Ya, omg he lost some matches! HYPE JOB!!! Edited July 22, 2023 by Katooshu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 22, 2023 Shishi slaps hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,132 Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) I don't recall him slapping much prior to this basho but he's really going for it now. Not a big fan of slapping but it's working for him, both offensively and as a way to reset his attack and keep opponents off. And yikes. Tomokaze blasted out by Kagayaki like a jonokuchi lightweight. Seemed unable to put up any resistance; hope he's okay. Edited July 22, 2023 by Katooshu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,159 Posted July 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Katooshu said: I don't recall him slapping much prior to this basho but he's really going for it now. Not a big fan of slapping but it's working for him, both offensively and as a way to reset his attack and keep opponents off. He's really starting to resemble a younger Aoiyama, in body shape, posture and sumo style. But his sumo is still very much all over the place rough and tumble. Seemingly always an element of uncontrollability involved. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, dingo said: He's really starting to resemble a younger Aoiyama, in body shape, posture and sumo style. But his sumo is still very much all over the place rough and tumble. Seemingly always an element of uncontrollability involved. I think he is starting to realize that he needs to create chaos in order to succeed. He doesn't have the fundamentals to practice a "traditional" sumo style, so, his wins need to be scrappy and ugly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted July 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, Katooshu said: And yikes. Tomokaze blasted out by Kagayaki like a jonokuchi lightweight. Seemed unable to put up any resistance; hope he's okay. Probably a natural consequence of trying a backwards hatakikomi style of sumo against people who just come straight out of the tachiai shoving. He suffered the same fate against Atamifuji yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted July 22, 2023 Just now, Seiyashi said: Probably a natural consequence of trying a backwards hatakikomi style of sumo against people who just come straight out of the tachiai shoving. He suffered the same fate against Atamifuji yesterday. "Always hatakikomi" is too predictable of an approach to not be punished by opponents at some point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
