Profomisakari 646 Posted May 1 (edited) Dear friends! I was very surprised to find Yarimotssus game opening to such an early time.For this many thanks!But as I also found, it was written into the false forum. Raeucherlax suggested moving the post to the Sumo Games forum (here). That's where it belongs. I think it's a good Idea. At first I thought it would be better if Yarimotsu did it himself. But then I found an email from him that he had little time and is already on tour (until Thursday). That's why I now will copy his game opening here and leave the old version in the old place. Yarimotsu can then delete them later when he comes back. Here now Yarimotsu's game opening in my spelling: Welcome to Game 21 for the Natsu 2023 Basho.I am launching the game again today, while Profomisakari will be back for the day to day comments. So, let's play! We have a brand new selection of bouts, hastily assembled with care. HOW TO PLAY GAME 21Shortly after the Banzuke is published, 21 potential bouts are selected by the admins.You just have to decide which bouts will or will not take place and, if they will, who you think will be the winners. Each correct pick will earn you one point.If a Rikishi is listed in one of the potential bouts but never appears on the Torikumi for the 15 days of the Basho, the bout will not count for the allocation of points. If two or more entrants end up with the same number of correct picks, the two following tiebreaker rules will apply: TB1: entrants will earn TB points for their ability to spot winning outsiders (i.e. the fewer players to correctly pick a winner, the more TB points you score) and the entrant with most TB points will win the tiebreaker. TB2: if the first tiebreaker does not break the tie, the entrant with the earliest submission time will be declared the winner. Your submission time updates if you edit. The deadline to play is the Friday before Shonichi at 11 AM (JST), 2 AM (UTC) If you want to play, simply click the link below. It will take you to a multiple-choice form that will offer you three choices for each bout: A if you think the first Rikishi will win B if you think the second Rikishi will win X if you think the bout will not take place In addition to your picks and your Shikona, the form will ask for a valid email address. The reason for this request is (a) to allow the system to send you a copy of your picks and (b) to allow you to update your choices until the deadline by clicking the “Edit Response'' button that is in the email. So, if you want to play for the upcoming Basho, HERE IS THE LINK.And here are the bouts for the upcoming Basho: Nr A History B 1 Takayasu 13-12 Terunofuji 2 Wakamotoharu 3-2 Daieisho 3 Takakeisho 3-6 Abi 4 Kiribayama 6[-1]-6 Hoshoryu 5 Shodai 5-3 Nishikigi 6 Meisei 1-0 Hiradoumi 7 Kotonowaka - Kinbozan 8 Ura 1-1 Midorifuji 9 Tamawashi 10-7 Hokutofuji 10 Endo 1-2 Kotoshoho 11 Sadanoumi 10-11 Aoiyama 12 Ryuden 5-5 Myogiryu 13 Nishikifuji 1-1 Mitakeumi 14 Kotoeko 7-6 Onosho 15 Ichinojo - Oho 16 Hokuseiho 0-1 Asanoyama 17 Takarafuji 3-3 Tsurugisho 18 Daishoho 1-2 Ichiyamamoto 19 Tobizaru 5-3 Ichinojo 20 Kagayaki 5-6 Takanosho 21 Chiyoshoma 6-0 Mitoryu Once more: The deadline to play is Friday 12th of May at 11 AM (JST), 2 AM (UTC)I have excluded Wakatakakage as he should be out resting.(Instead of them Yarimotsu selected two bouts of Ichinojo. Profo)Hopefully we get a good number of game days like last time.I don’t have time today to theorise deeply about when bouts may occur. Good luck to all participants! Please inform me, if I didn't all correct copy Profomisakari Edited May 1 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,382 Posted May 4 How does Ichinojo's intai affect this game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 4 4 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: How does Ichinojo's intai affect this game? As first: This Intai of Ichinojo surprised me. But it is not the Problem of our game.Now will both bouts of Ichinojo count for all players as correct voted, whatever you vote. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 243 Posted May 4 I would like to draft new bouts when this happens in the future, with more than a week to submit picks we should be able to adjust. But as @Profomisakari has already ruled, there will be no adjustment this time. If we decide to trial replacing bouts in a similar situation in the future, I would make sure that nobody who already submitted would lose their tiebreaker position, and if they did not all submit new responses then the affected bouts would remain as all correct / null and void. Anyways, this is a fairly rare and unexpected case and the show will go on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 243 Posted May 4 So, as noted above - apologies for my misplaced game announcement and thankyou to those who sorted it out. I was in a mad rush. I have the entries for @Fashiritētā @Kujo @Tochinofuji @WAKATAKE - thanks for getting in early. Ichinojo's retirement will not affect you as we now play a game of 19 bouts. The regular invitation now goes out to the recent participants: @Achiyama @Andonishiki @Asapedroryu @Asojima Asset @Athenayama @Benihana @Bunbukuchagama @Chankomafuji Denjirenji/ @Chartorenji @ChickyStarr @chishafuwaku @Flohru @Fujisan Gansekiiwa/ @Rocks @Hakuhonofan @Hakuryuho @Hoshotakamoto @Karasukurai @Kellyama @Mmikasazuma @Oortael @Peeter @Profomisakari @RaeucherLax @rokudenashi @ScreechingOwl @Shatsume @shimodahito @SlimDante @Sumo Spiffy @Susanoo @Suwihuto @Takanorappa @Tameiki @Tetsuba Tochiyatsu/ @nelimw @Wamahada @Yarimotsu and of course any others who want to join. You have roughly a week and 12 hours to get your Game 21 picks in by Friday 12th of May at 11 AM (JST) 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 243 Posted May 8 I have received entries for @RaeucherLax @chishafuwaku @Karasukurai in addition to the above. Please join us soon if you are keen to play our unique game: @Achiyama @Andonishiki @Asapedroryu @Asojima Asset @Athenayama @Benihana @Bunbukuchagama @Chankomafuji Denjirenji/ @Chartorenji @ChickyStarr @Flohru @Fujisan Gansekiiwa/ @Rocks @Hakuhonofan @Hakuryuho @Hoshotakamoto @Kellyama @Mmikasazuma @Oortael @Peeter @Profomisakari @rokudenashi @ScreechingOwl @Shatsume @shimodahito @SlimDante @Sumo Spiffy @Susanoo @Suwihuto @Takanorappa @Tameiki @Tetsuba Tochiyatsu/ @nelimw @Wamahada @Yarimotsu and of course any others who want to join. You now have 3 days and change to get your Game 21 picks in by Friday 12th of May at 11 AM (JST) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 243 Posted May 10 Please find the updated player list below: kujo Tochinofuji Fashiriteta WAKATAKE RaeucherLax Karasukurai chishafuwaku Hakuhonofan Athenayama Hakuryuho Hoshotakamoto Asset ScreechingOwl shimodahito Papayasu Wamahada Susanoo Takanorappa Bunbukuchagama Profomisakari AlphaHo Shatsume Yarimotsu If your name is not on this list, I do not yet have your entry for Game 21. For all those still looking to join, you have 28 hours to join here before Friday 12th of May at 11 AM (JST), 2 AM (UTC) @Achiyama @Andonishiki @Asapedroryu @Asojima @Benihana @Chankomafuji Denjirenji/ @Chartorenji @ChickyStarr @Flohru @Fujisan Gansekiiwa/ @Rocks @Kellyama @Mmikasazuma @Oortael @Peeter @rokudenashi @Sumo Spiffy @Suwihuto @Tameiki @Tetsuba Tochiyatsu/ @nelimw and of course any others who want to join. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 243 Posted May 12 As the day 1 torikumi has appeared one hour earlier than our deadline, I am forced to close entries one hour early. My apologies to anyone who was planning on making a last-minute entry. A warm welcome to all our new players, some of whom are from the discords. I hope you'll join us in future basho as well! Below is the summary of player selections: Player 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Diff 1 kujo X A B A B A A B A B B A A A A B A A A B A 350 2 Tochinofuji B A B B B B A B A A A A B B A B A B B B A 342 3 Fashiriteta B B B A A B A B A B B B A B A B B B B B A 329 4 WAKATAKE A B B A A X B A B A B A B A A B A A A A A 345 5 RaeucherLax A B A A A A A B B A B B A B X B A B X B B 318 6 Karasukurai B A A A A A A A B B B B B A X B A A X B X 329 7 chishafuwaku B A B A A B A A A B A A A B X B B A X A A 289 8 Hakuhonofan B B A B A A B A A A A B B A X B B A X A B 342 9 Athenayama X B B B A A B B A A A A B A X B B B X X A 306 10 Hakuryuho B B B A A A A B A A A A B A X B B A X B A 265 11 Hoshotakamoto A B A B A X A A B B A A A B X B A A X B A 308 12 Asset A A B B A X A B A A A A A B X B B A X A A 305 13 ScreechingOwl A A X A A A A B A B A A A A X B B A X A B 328 14 shimodahito X A A A A A X A A A A A A B B B A B A X A 348 15 Papayasu B A B A A B X A A X X A A X X B A A X X A 319 16 Wamahada A B B A A B A B B A B A B A X B B A X B A 284 17 Susanoo A B A A A A X A B A X B X B X B A B X X A 333 18 Takanorappa B B B A A B A A A B A A B B X B B B X B A 274 19 Bunbukuchagama B B B B A X X X B X X X A X X B X B X X A 374 20 Profomisakari B A A A A A B A B A A B B B A B X A X X A 338 21 AlphaHo B B B A A B A A A A A A A B X B A B X B A 267 22 Shatsume B B B A A X A B B A B A B X X B B B X B A 286 23 Yarimotsu A A B A A B X B A B A A X X X A B A X B B 358 24 Hidenotora X B X A A A A B B B B A B A B B A B B X A 350 25 Jim B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B 395 26 Jogn X A B B A A B B B B A A A B X B A B X B A 306 27 Surprised Sada Supporter 蛙ノ海 X A X A A X B A X A A X A A X B A A X A B 374 28 Sumo Spiffy B A B A X B X B A X X A X X X B X B X X A 360 29 Asapedroryu A B B B X A A B B A A A B A X B A A X B A 306 30 Flohru B B A A X X X A A X X X X X X B X B X X A 389 31 Benihana B B B A A A A A B A B B B B X B A A X B A 281 I would usually comment on the most and least agreed upon guessers, but due to Ichinojo's bouts there's some interference in those numbers. Just my luck to give the extra bout to the one guy that retires between banzuke and torikumi. Nr A History B A B X Day Result 1 Takayasu 13-12 Terunofuji 9 16 6 . 2 Wakamotoharu 3-2 Daieisho 13 18 0 . 3 Takakeisho 3-6 Abi 8 20 3 . 4 Kiribayama 6[-1]-6 Hoshoryu 22 9 0 . 5 Shodai 5-3 Nishikigi 25 3 3 . 6 Meisei 1-0 Hiradoumi 14 10 7 . 7 Kotonowaka - Kinbozan 17 7 7 . 8 Ura 1-1 Midorifuji 14 16 1 . 9 Tamawashi 10-7 Hokutofuji 16 14 1 . 10 Endo 1-2 Kotoshoho 16 11 4 . 11 Sadanoumi 10-11 Aoiyama 16 10 5 . 12 Ryuden 5-5 Myogiryu 20 8 3 . 13 Nishikifuji 1-1 Mitakeumi 13 14 4 . 14 Kotoeko 7-6 Onosho 11 14 6 . 15 Ichinojo - Oho 5 3 23 . 16 Hokuseiho 0-1 Asanoyama 1 30 0 . 17 Takarafuji 3-3 Tsurugisho 15 12 4 . 18 Daishoho 1-2 Ichiyamamoto 16 15 0 . 19 Tobizaru 5-3 Ichinojo 3 4 24 . 20 Kagayaki 5-6 Takanosho 6 16 9 . 21 Chiyoshoma 6-0 Mitoryu 24 6 1 . The unfortunate caveat is that bouts 15 and 19 are going to be struck out as discussed above. On with the show and @Profomisakari and good luck to all participants! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 105 Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Yarimotsu said: As the day 1 torikumi has appeared one hour earlier than our deadline Where can I see it, if you don't mind me asking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chishafuwaku 450 Posted May 12 16 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Where can I see it, if you don't mind me asking? https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/torikumi/1/1/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 105 Posted May 12 Just now, chishafuwaku said: https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/torikumi/1/1/ Wow! The same page showed nothing to me just a minute ago. Magic? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 12 (edited) On 12/05/2023 at 03:01, Yarimotsu said: I would usually comment on the most and least agreed upon guessers, but due to Ichinojo's bouts there's some interference in those numbers. Just my luck to give the extra bout to the one guy that retires between banzuke and torikumi. The Germans say: "So ist das Leben. Eben." "That's life. Exactly." But how Yarimotsu said: The show must go on! That I can here every day enter the next fights and the new bout results, I'll post here the bout table again: Nr A History B A B X Day Result 1 Takayasu 13-12 Terunofuji 9 16 6 2 Wakamotoharu 3-2 Daieisho 13 18 0 3 Takakeisho 3-6 Abi 8 20 3 1 A 4 Kiribayama 6[-1]-6 Hoshoryu 22 9 0 5 Shodai 5-3 Nishikigi 25 3 3 6 Meisei 1-0 Hiradoumi 14 10 7 8 B 7 Kotonowaka - Kinbozan 17 7 7 8 Ura 1-1 Midorifuji 14 16 1 4 A 9 Tamawashi 10-7 Hokutofuji 16 14 1 1 B 10 Endo 1-2 Kotoshoho 16 11 4 11 Sadanoumi 10-11 Aoiyama 16 10 5 12 Ryuden 5-5 Myogiryu 20 8 3 13 Nishikifuji 1-1 Mitakeumi 13 14 4 14 Kotoeko 7-6 Onosho 11 14 6 15 Ichinojo - Oho 5 3 23 TNP 16 Hokuseiho 0-1 Asanoyama 1 30 0 8 A 17 Takarafuji 3-3 Tsurugisho 15 12 4 9 B 18 Daishoho 1-2 Ichiyamamoto 16 15 0 9 A 19 Tobizaru 5-3 Ichinojo 3 4 24 TNP 20 Kagayaki 5-6 Takanosho 6 16 9 21 Chiyoshoma 6-0 Mitoryu 24 6 1 7 A TNP = Takes never place.Above Wakatake asked for this situation: How does Ichinojo's intai affect this game? My answer to this question was not completely correct.We had in the past time decided:All bouts that from day 1 until 15 not could take place, will get no point. So should we do it also for bout 15 and 19.For the players ranking has this no influence. And here the first bouts taking place from day to day:On day 1 we had 2 game 21 bouts: Nr.3 and Nr.9 On day 2, 3, 5 and were not any game 21 bouts.Day 4 brought us one game 21 bout (Nr. 8),but today (day 7) we had also one such bout (Nr 21)and tomorrow (day 8) will take place the bouts Nr.6 and 16.On day 9 we have again to bouts (Nr.17 and 18)Day 10 has again no bout for our game. This post I will now update daily. Edited May 22 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 14 (edited) Players ranking day 1This ranking table I will post ever, when we have one or more game 21 bouts. As first: We have 5 new players. Welcome AlphaHo, Fashiriteta, Hidenotora, Jogn and Surprised Sada Supporter 蛙ノ海!To the last player of this list: You name is very long. Please allow me to change it in the ranking list in a short version "Sada supporter!"! Now the first results: Today we had the first two game 21 bouts. Who won, you can see above. 5 players had both bouts correct voted, 13 both false.But the aples will be earned at the end of the game.Today I can say: Everybody can become the final winner. The row in the listing of players with the same number of points will be decided by the TB1 value. While these are also equal, decides, who earlier gave in his votes. Rk Player Pts TB 1 RaeucherLax 2 40 2 Karasukurai 2 40 3 Hoshotakamoto 2 40 4 Susanoo 2 40 5 Profomisakari 2 40 6 Hakuhonofan 1 23 7 shimodahito 1 23 8 Flohru 1 23 9 WAKATAKE 1 17 10 Wamahada 1 17 11 Bunbukuchagama 1 17 12 Shatsume 1 17 13 Hidenotora 1 17 14 Jim 1 17 15 Jogn 1 17 16 Asapedroryu 1 17 17 Benihana 1 17 18 kujo 0 0 19 Tochinofuji 0 0 20 Fashiriteta 0 0 21 chishafuwaku 0 0 22 Athenayama 0 0 23 Hakuryuho 0 0 24 Asset 0 0 25 ScreechingOwl 0 0 26 Papayasu 0 0 27 Takanorappa 0 0 28 AlphaHo 0 0 29 Yarimotsu 0 0 30 Sada Supporter 0 0 31 Sumo Spiffy 0 0 Tomorrow (day 2) we'll have no game 21 bout. Profomisakari Edited May 14 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 15 On day 3 will also not take place any game 21 bouts Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 16 On day 4 will be one game 21 bout (Nr 8) Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 17 (edited) Today we had our third game 21 bout. Here is the new ranking: Rk Player Pts TB 1 Karasukurai 3 57 2 Hoshotakamoto 3 57 3 Susanoo 3 57 4 Profomisakari 3 57 5 RaeucherLax 2 40 6 Hakuhonofan 2 40 7 shimodahito 2 40 8 Flohru 2 40 9 WAKATAKE 2 34 10 Benihana 2 34 11 chishafuwaku 1 17 12 Papayasu 1 17 13 Wamahada 1 17 14 Takanorappa 1 17 15 Bunbukuchagama 1 17 16 AlphaHo 1 17 17 Shatsume 1 17 18 Hidenotora 1 17 19 Jim 1 17 20 Jogn 1 17 21 Sada Supporter 1 17 22 Asapedroryu 1 17 23 kujo 0 0 24 Tochinofuji 0 0 25 Fashiriteta 0 0 26 Athenayama 0 0 27 Hakuryuho 0 0 28 Asset 0 0 29 ScreechingOwl 0 0 30 Yarimotsu 0 0 31 Sumo Spiffy 0 0 Tomorrow is again no game21 bout. Profomisakari Edited May 17 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 243 Posted May 17 It seems I'm doing well at picking bouts that are hard for me to predict... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 17 2 hours ago, Yarimotsu said: It seems I'm doing well at picking bouts that are hard for me to predict... Don't worry! A German proverb says: The apples will be harvested in autumn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 17 In the next few days up to and including Saturday I will have no much time for the game. Please be patient! By Sunday at the latest, everything will be back to normal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 18 On day 6 is also no game 21 bout Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 20 Today at day 7 was the 4th game 21 bout (the last in Yarimotsus bout list) Now is the number of players, who voted al bout until now correct, reduced to three. This is the current ranking list: Rk Player Pts TB 1 Hoshotakamoto 4 64 2 Susanoo 4 64 3 Profomisakari 4 64 4 Karasukurai 3 57 5 shimodahito 3 47 6 Flohru 3 47 7 WAKATAKE 3 41 8 Benihana 3 41 9 RaeucherLax 2 40 10 Hakuhonofan 2 40 11 chishafuwaku 2 24 12 Papayasu 2 24 13 Wamahada 2 24 14 Takanorappa 2 24 15 Bunbukuchagama 2 24 16 AlphaHo 2 24 17 Shatsume 2 24 18 Hidenotora 2 24 19 Jogn 2 24 20 Asapedroryu 2 24 21 Jim 1 17 22 Sada Supporter 1 17 23 kujo 1 7 24 Tochinofuji 1 7 25 Fashiriteta 1 7 26 Athenayama 1 7 27 Hakuryuho 1 7 28 Asset 1 7 29 Sumo Spiffy 1 7 30 ScreechingOwl 0 0 31 Yarimotsu 0 0 Tomorrow (day 8) we'll get two more bouts (Nr. 6 and 16) Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 21 (edited) Today on day 8 we had two bouts. Nr. 6 was voted near 50 -50, but Nr 16 brought a great surprise:Hokuseiho beat Asanowaka. ( ==> ... yama ) I accept the name change! Excuse me please! Only Yarimotsu had this and did a great jump in the ranking from the 31th (last) to 14th place with an excellent TB1. All players from yesterdays place 1 to 8 got today no point !!! This is the new ranking: Rk Player Pts TB 1 Hoshotakamoto 4 64 2 Susanoo 4 64 3 Profomisakari 4 64 4 Karasukurai 3 57 5 shimodahito 3 47 6 Flohru 3 47 7 chishafuwaku 3 45 8 Papayasu 3 45 9 Wamahada 3 45 10 Takanorappa 3 45 11 AlphaHo 3 45 12 WAKATAKE 3 41 13 Benihana 3 41 14 Yarimotsu 2 51 15 RaeucherLax 2 40 16 Hakuhonofan 2 40 17 Jim 2 38 18 Tochinofuji 2 28 19 Fashiriteta 2 28 20 Sumo Spiffy 2 28 21 Bunbukuchagama 2 24 22 Shatsume 2 24 23 Hidenotora 2 24 24 Jogn 2 24 25 Asapedroryu 2 24 26 Sada Supporter 1 17 27 kujo 1 7 28 Athenayama 1 7 29 Hakuryuho 1 7 30 Asset 1 7 31 ScreechingOwl 0 0 Tomorrow we'll get two more bouts. Profomisakari Edited May 21 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 243 Posted May 21 Now I can say I believed in Hokuseiho when nobody else did! Although I'm pretty sure he beat Asanoyama not Asanowaka 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 22 (edited) Day 9 brought us again two game 21 bouts:Tsurugisho beat Takarafuji and Daishoho beat Ichiyamanoto. Now we have a leaders group of 4 players, all with 5 points and the same TB1 valuo. The placement is decided like on day 1 by the time of vote. So is today the leader Chishafuwaku.And Yarimotsu is now on place 5, the first behind the leaders group. Here is the ranking: Rk Player Pts TB 1 chishafuwaku 5 79 2 Hoshotakamoto 5 79 3 Wamahada 5 79 4 Profomisakari 5 79 5 Yarimotsu 4 85 6 Hakuhonofan 4 74 7 Karasukurai 4 72 8 Susanoo 4 64 9 Takanorappa 4 64 10 Papayasu 4 60 11 WAKATAKE 4 56 12 Benihana 4 56 13 Jim 3 57 14 Fashiriteta 3 47 15 shimodahito 3 47 16 Flohru 3 47 17 AlphaHo 3 45 18 Shatsume 3 43 19 Hakuryuho 3 41 20 Asset 3 41 21 Asapedroryu 3 39 22 RaeucherLax 2 40 23 ScreechingOwl 2 34 24 Sada Supporter 2 32 25 Tochinofuji 2 28 26 Sumo Spiffy 2 28 27 Athenayama 2 26 28 Bunbukuchagama 2 24 29 Hidenotora 2 24 30 Jogn 2 24 31 kujo 2 22 Tomorrow (day 10) we'll have no bout for the game. Profomisakari Edited May 23 by Profomisakari 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 646 Posted May 23 (edited) Day 11 will us also not bring any game 21 bouts. Edited May 24 by Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
