Natsu 2023 discussion (results)

[Sumo Spiffy 535]

7 hours ago, ryafuji said:

If that wasn't a dead body, then there's no point in having the rule at all.

I dunno... we still see lots of guys jump away from falling pushers, and those calls hardly go in the pusher's favor all the time. Ura was still well over the dohyo and not even that far off the ground, which seems to be when the dead body rule gets put back in their pockets. I'm not saying it was a scam or anything, but it sure looked like that could have gone for Ura.

[Benevolance 2,478]

I am happy to be wrong, but I didn't expect a yusho showing from Terunofuji. The pre-basho "plans to compete" message from the oyakata seemed like the usual cookie cutter platitudes. I figured he'd win a couple, lose a couple, satisfy the powers that he tried, and withdraw. I don't think he looked completely dominant most of the time, but he did just enough to get the wins. And I'm only saying anything now that he cannot lose, because I did not want to jinx this amazing return.

I'm also entirely befuddled by the sanyaku performance. I thought that the kyokai had banned double-digit wins back in 2022? 

[dingo 1,160]

19 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

I dunno... we still see lots of guys jump away from falling pushers, and those calls hardly go in the pusher's favor all the time. Ura was still well over the dohyo and not even that far off the ground, which seems to be when the dead body rule gets put back in their pockets. I'm not saying it was a scam or anything, but it sure looked like that could have gone for Ura.

I think the difference with Ura was that his entire body was basically floating in the air outside the dohyo. I was quite surprised when the shimpan decided on Kotonowaka, but I can see the reasoning behind that decision. 

[Gernobono 455]

7 hours ago, ryafuji said:

If that wasn't a dead body, then there's no point in having the rule at all.

I don't think that a strikt rule exists....the shimpacho just mentions it, when it backs the decision, they came up with....however they did.....those fictual sumorules are made up by us gaijin to explain the decisions japanese make out of completely different reasons

[dada78641 884]

I made this screenshot a couple of days ago (not sure when, maybe a week ago) and forgot to post, but...

If you ever feel bad about not remembering the kanji for people's shikona, don't feel bad, even NHK gets it wrong sometimes!

[Reonito 1,335]

6 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Then help me out, because I've done something dumb but can't figure out why.

I looked in the db for consecutive Se ranks at five basho, then hand sorted after that. Neither Kaio or any of the others showed up.  What did I do wrong?

No idea, but this gives you everyone with double-digit sekiwake basho. And Kaio et al do show up if you look for 5 consecutive basho at S.

[Yamanashi 3,724]

Pardon me, I'm trying this again, and leaving my previous post-of-shame up to remind myself to stay humble [not too hard, says my inner brain].  I hope this one is correct.

Consecutive basho as Sekiwake (since 1960). * streak ended at Ozekihood

Shikona  streak length   career # of bash @ Sekiwake

Goeido*   14   15

Kaio    21   13

Kotomitsuki*   11   22

Musashimaru*   9   9

Sakahoko   9   12

Wakanohana Kanji*   8   8

Hasegawa   8 (twice)   21

 

[Jabbamaru 166]

Omedetou, Kaiju!

Monster Power!

Omedetou, Ozeki Kiribayama!

 

Ps* Ura/Ktnwk... Worst call EVER!

[Kaito 275]

There's a lot of complaining online today about a fairly routine bit of judging in the Ura/Kotonowaka match. I wanted Ura to win too, but if it helps anybody, you CANNOT win a match by jumping out of the dohyo before the match is over and trying to land last. If you think you see it happen all the time, you're mistaken. Pay close attention to such attempts in the future and you'll see the pullers are always attempting to keep a foot on the ground in the dohyo until the opponent is down. If Kotonowaka's falling body/hands had touched dirt before Ura leaped back, Ura wins. If Ura's leap was nearly simultaneous with Kotonowaka touching down, rematch. In this case, Ura clearly leaped back way too early and had no chance of even earning a rematch. If a wrestler's feet leave the dohyo and never come down in bounds again, they are dead from the time their feet last touched inside the dohyo.

[Jakusotsu 5,807]

I long for the days when the rulings were so simple that anybody could understand them in an instant. Touch down first and you lose, easy as that.

Perhaps those days never existed, but I was happy being a simpleton.

[Gurowake 3,915]

Shukun-sho for Meisei as expected.

Gino-sho for Kiribayama and Wakamotoharu.

No Kanto-sho.

No Asanoyama.

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Gurowake

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

11 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

I long for the days when the rulings were so simple that anybody could understand them in an instant. Touch down first and you lose, easy as that.

Perhaps those days never existed, but I was happy being a simpleton.

Original sumo rules were not meant for flying. Rikishi learned to exploit them - so, something had to be adjusted. 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

Shukun-sho for Meisei as expected.

Gino-sho for Kiribayama and Wakamotoharu.

No Kanto-sho.

No Asanoyama.

 

Surprising that Hakuhō's handwriting is more calligraphic than Kotoshōgiku. 

[Jakusotsu 5,807]

First ever 14-1 Juryo ketteisen in history.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Just now, Jakusotsu said:

First ever 14-1 Juryo ketteisen in history.

Really? Wow. 

[robnplunder 974]

4 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

First ever 14-1 Juryo ketteisen in history.

Almost didn't happen as Gonoyama almost lost 3 times against Kitanowaka before pulling out the win.  That was fun to watch.

Edited May 28, 2023 by robnplunder

[rhyen 1,809]

Satorufuji beats Oshoryu,

Gonoyama comes out guns blazing against Ochiai

[Asashosakari 18,786]

14 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

First ever 14-1 Juryo ketteisen in history.

Also just the second basho ever with three juryo rikishi at 13+. Too bad about that Atamifuji loss to Tomokaze.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Asashosakari

[robnplunder 974]

Gonoyama is now 3-0 against Ochiai in their short careers.  They will do well in Makuuchi but I think Ochiai will go further.  Gonoyama may be reaching his physical peak whereas Ochiai has  a few more years to go.  And he's already looking so strong.

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

 

Shukun-sho for Meisei as expected.

Gino-sho for Kiribayama and Wakamotoharu.

No Kanto-sho.

No Asanoyama.

 

It seems, Hoshoryu, Wakamotoharu and Asanoyama were candidates for conditional Kanto-sho, but did not get the minimum required votes

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202305280000584.html

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Here is your future dai-Yokozuna. 

[Asashosakari 18,786]

9 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Shukun-sho for Meisei as expected.

Gino-sho for Kiribayama and Wakamotoharu.

No Kanto-sho.

No Asanoyama.

It seems, Hoshoryu, Wakamotoharu and Asanoyama were candidates for conditional Kanto-sho, but did not get the minimum required votes

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202305280000584.html

Even assuming that they were intended as alternatives and only one was ever going to get through, I have to say that conditional kanto-sho + unconditional gino-sho is a very strange pair of proposals for Wakamotoharu.

[Jomangor 29]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

Surprising that Hakuhō's handwriting is more calligraphic than Kotoshōgiku. 

Maybe signing all those Tegata was good practice.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Happy to see Daishoho finish at least 6-9 in the end. His first week performances deserved better than the 2-6 nakabi record he had.

[rhyen 1,809]

Why did it take so long for Takayasu to show up dohyo side, he missed one entire bout while Kotoshoho was staring into the crowd