Natsu 2023 discussion (results)

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Just now, Thorbjarn said:

What was the explanation behind the call between Kotonowaka & Ura? From the replay I thought this should be torinaoshi or gyoji call stands. 

"Dead body" rule. Ura jumped when he couldn't possibly stay inside the ring. 

[Gospodin 187]

 

3 minutes ago, Thorbjarn said:

What was the explanation behind the call between Kotonowaka & Ura? From the replay I thought this should be torinaoshi or gyoji call stands. 

No idea what they were thinking. A dead body doesn´t slap his opponent down.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Gospodin

[Thorbjarn 214]

2 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

"Dead body" rule. Ura jumped when he couldn't possibly stay inside the ring. 

Yeah, but at the same moment Kotonowaka was parallel to the the ground and his hand down on the dohyo to me. 

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Just now, Thorbjarn said:

Yeah, but at the same moment Kotonowaka was parallel to the the ground and his hand down on the dohyo to me. 

His hand touched the ground after Ura took off.

[Gospodin 187]

They just don´t like those gimmicks. Dad probably said just that (if he´s on duty today)

Edited May 27, 2023 by Gospodin

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

4 minutes ago, Gospodin said:

 

No idea what they were thinking. A dead body doesn´t slap his opponent down.

Why not? He had no chance to stay inside the ring when he jumped. 

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

1 minute ago, Gospodin said:

They just don´t like those gimmicks. Dad probably said just that (if he´s on duty today)

Dad didn't help him the day before when he deserved at least  a torinaoshi.

[Thorbjarn 214]

2 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

His hand touched the ground after Ura took off.

Maybe, but even than he was already airborne. Dead body should work both ways, it often does not. Still think torinaoshi would be a better choice in those situations. 

[Gospodin 187]

 

2 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Why not? He had no chance to stay inside the ring when he jumped. 

Sure, but while on his way out he gave Kotonowaka  the perhaps deciding slap to go down first. I don´t like the call, but with ambiguity of dead body...well, one could make an argument for it. In any case it was kind of a "suicide move"  

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

2 minutes ago, Thorbjarn said:

Maybe, but even than he was already airborne. Dead body should work both ways, it often does not. Still think torinaoshi would be a better choice in those situations. 

I understand the frustration, application of "dead body" rule is notoriously inconsistent. 

[Thorbjarn 214]

I don't want to seem too frustrated, I initially was genuinely interested to know what the reasoning was since I don't speak Japanese, and I really thank you for the explanation of the decision. I assumed dead body, but as you could see I saw it differently. Therefore I actually wanted to make sure there wasn't anything else I missed like some kind of foul. 

Frustration levels are actually really low though, mainly for the great crop of Sekiwake we have this basho. =) 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Thorbjarn

[Gospodin 187]

Takakeisho´s left haymaker didn´t work out twice. That´s impressive from Wakamotoharu.

[robnplunder 974]

In my mind, Ura won.  He got robbed.

Wakamotoharu knows what to do with that little bully.    A few more wins in this basho may have gotten him the Ozeki promotion.  

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

8 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

I find the rule and its application rather confusing. Does it only apply when the rikishi who crossed the tawara first touches down second?

Often rikishi who are moving forward will be falling, obviously with no chance of staying up, but are always counted as the winner if their opponent steps out before they hit the ground. Think of aggressive oshi guys pushing someone back like this. There seems to be no consideration of how recoverable their position was in cases like this, only when it involves someone touching second but going over the tawara first. 

As far as I understand, the rule exists to prevent rikishi who have no chance of keeping their feet inside the ring from jumping up in order to gain precious fractions of a second in case of their opponent falling down while pushing them out. If at least one of their feet is on the ground inside the ring, the rule is not applied. 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Bunbukuchagama

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

1 minute ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

 

Wrong button. It's 5:00 here. 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Bunbukuchagama

[Katooshu 3,132]

Teru yusho, congrats big man!

[Gospodin 187]

4 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

I find the rule and its application rather confusing. Does it only apply when the rikishi who crossed the tawara first touches down second?

Often rikishi who are moving forward will be falling, obviously with no chance of staying up, but are always counted as the winner if their opponent steps out before they hit the ground. Think of aggressive oshi guys pushing someone back like this. There seems to be no consideration of how recoverable their position was in cases like this, only when it involves someone touching second but going over the tawara first. 

Jumping up to buy time when the opponent is falling is done all the, well, time. I don´t get this one. But they have called stranger things. 

[code_number3 694]

oh wow kiribayama give a good fight

congrats teru

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Epic battle. Kiribayama is a worthy Ozeki!

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

First time since Nagoya 2011 with three double-digits Sekiwake. Could become a record-breaking four if Daieisho wins tomorrow.

[Hankegami 412]

1 minute ago, Katooshu said:

Teru yusho, congrats big man!

I'd say that's a typical situation in which both contenders are to be praised. On hindsight, they should have left Terunofuji vs. Kiribayama for the senshuraku. Soon-to-be Ozeki Kiribayama showed an outstanding fighting spirit for a guy with a 0-9 record against the Yokozuna. He seemed to be almost on the verge of playing some trick a couple times, but Teru is just too big and strong. A nice way to assess his new position as #2 of the Big Boys' Club.

Now, we need some icing on the cake for tomorrow. 1) Teru must finish 14-1Y and raise up the mean score for the title after an abysmal 2022, and 2) Kiri won't leave the jun-yusho to that Asanoyama guy, innit? C'mon, top dogs!

[Thorbjarn 214]

1 minute ago, Hankegami said:

I'd say that's a typical situation in which both contenders are to be praised. 

Totally down with that. I think outside of Hoshoryu who got beaten quite convincingly, all the Sekiwake gave Terunofuji good matches. He is the best, like his rank implies, but he is not as far ahead as Hakuho or Asashoryu seemed to be. It's great to have him back, hope he can stay around. 

[Akinomaki 39,755]

2 hours ago, rhyen said:

Any significance to Takarafuji taking over from Nishikifuji today?

Something similar happened also recently at the jungyo after Takarafuji returned from kyujo, no reason was mentioned anywhere.

On 01/05/2023 at 16:54, Akinomaki said:

More from Kamisu

Takarafuji was back in Terunofuji's dohyo-iri, as tsuyu-harai in place of Midorifuji. He had taken some time off due to a Corona infection, but is training properly again now: "I think there is no effect."

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Today it is odd because Takarafuji was on the east side, while Nishikifuji on the west could have been ready quicker for the yokozuna dohyo-iri.

There might be some promise to the locals to show the garlic kesho-mawashi Nishikifuji wore today, maybe a koenkai tour from his hometown was there on day 14.

On 11/01/2023 at 01:16, Akinomaki said:

Nishikifuji end of the year from his hometown in Aomori got a garlic (ninniku) kesho mawashi, donator 十和田市地域農業再生協議会, short as 十和田市農業再生協, the Towada city area agriculture renewal council, formed by the city and 17 organizations, the mayor is the president.
It shows the PR character Towada Ninnin, the city is the top producer of garlic in Japan

https://www.toonippo.co.jp/articles/-/1476715

 

[Leoben 121]

Really glad for Terunofuji. Coming back after surgery and such a long layoff and taking the cup emphatically like that. A year ago I thought his chances of earning the coveted Dai- were close to 0, but who knows now.

[RabidJohn 1,663]

Is Nishikigi on the verge of a sanyaku promotion? I believe he's the only maegashira in the top 4 slots on both sides with a KK so far. 
I didn't see that coming, but then he is the Invisible Man of ozumo.

I wouldn't describe Takakeisho as a bully because he swung a few haymakers at Wakamotoharu. Leading with a kachi-age (forearm smash) to the chin at the tachi-ai is kind of setting the tone...
I'm extremely impressed by Wakamotoharu. He's coming across as even more competent than little brother, who was a very successful sekiwake until injury took him. 

Kiribayama looked annoyed with himself in the hanamichi. I get why, but there was no shame in the loss. He made the yokozuna work very hard for his eighth title, and looked every bit an ozeki contending for the yusho.

Congratulations to Terunofuji. Even in his seriously weakened state he is a force to be reckoned with. 
I can't help but wonder what might have been if those knees hadn't gone AWOL in 2015...