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3 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Impressive win by Hokuseiho against Meisei. Literally on his tiptoes on the edge of the dohyo and Meisei still couldn't force him out. 

Even more impressive is Hokuseiho had a bad grip on a lose belt and still did it. 

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1 hour ago, dingo said:

Kotonowaka had a really bad tachiai against Terunofuji so it's somewhat of a miracle that he managed to make the bout competitive. Just needed a little bit more to get the win. 

I personally think that the bout was more influenced by Terunofuji's initial failure to secure a grip. He managed to grab just Kotonowaka's sagari at the beginning, and failed to force him out because he had no leverage. Finally managed to get one while Kotonowaka was counter-attacking, resisted the latter's force out, and ultimately used his stronger pulling power to win the battle of the pulls by the edge of the ring. Or at least I did interpret the match this way.

And yes, looks like Asanoyama pulled Hiradoumi's hair. I admit I am getting annoyed by those episodes, but I realize that's just the fan inside me, since I root for Terunofuji to get the Cup and stomp away the bad spirits calling for his intai (well, at least for 2023). Seeing his main contestant getting away with generous calls twice already (against Kotoeko first, and now against Hiradoumi) does not amuse me (QueenVictoria.gif). Now, I get that's just the shimpan making odd calls (as others have pointed out, there's no reason for them to treat Asanoyama harshly for a good year only to hand him over the Cup on his first attempt), but man, it hits my nerves.

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In real time I completely missed the hair pull - I think because it wasn't the topknot and hence didn't get moved around as much it was harder to spot. There's 5 shimp and you'd expect 1 of them to notice, but individually I can see how it would slip past them, especially the pair seated to the front of Hiradoumi.

Also we get Shiden vs Onosato today, good test for the newcomer against a rikishi on juryo level form.

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Ochiai vs Gōnoyama tomorrow should be a hell of a bout. Given Gōnoyama came out on top last basho and Ochiai’s last 3 bouts seem to have taken a lot out of him, I think I’ll go out on a limb and pick the Takekuma man this time as well…

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6 hours ago, rhyen said:

Am I guessing that Takarafuji chose to return on day 11 after he confirmed that he will not be drawn against the top 6 rikishi in the banzuke?

Takayasu I assume you mean?  I personally am surprised he got put up against someone with such a good record (yes, 4-5 is a good record for an M1; I'd guess a large majority of such rikishi get KKs), but I guess there wasn't anyone that was actually MK yet when they were doing the pairings.  Still, I'd expect someone at 0-10 to draw someone with more losses.

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Hokuseiho, Ochiai, Gonoyama .. wow. And with Asanoyama back, guys like Hoshoryu will now find it even tougher getting that breakthrough yusho. Sanyaku watch out.

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5 hours ago, Rocks said:

Even more impressive is Hokuseiho had a bad grip on a lose belt and still did it. 

When he starts using both his arms he's going to be terrifying.

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12 minutes ago, Octofuji said:

When he starts using both his arms he's going to be terrifying.

On the contrary: I expect him to stop using arms altogether and win by exhausting his opponents' energy to the point of total collapse. Average bout time: 5 min. 

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6 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

On the contrary: I expect him to stop using arms altogether and win by exhausting his opponents' energy to the point of total collapse. Average bout time: 5 min. 

That was Ichinojo's strategy and it sort of worked when he wasn't injured. Btw it feels super weird to talk about Ichinojo in the past tense... 

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It's too late to jump into Hokuseiho's wagon? Because getting a kachikoshi so early and with an excellent win is quite a good omen.

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1 minute ago, Kotomiyama said:

It's too late to jump into Hokuseiho's wagon?

More than a dozen bashos too late. B-)

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Looking forward to the inevitable Hokuseiho - Shodai match where they both just stand straight up at the tachiai and wait for the other one to move forward

Also really hope that Wakamotoharu beats Daieisho, Hoshoryu beats Kiribayama, and they all win the rest of their matches, just to give the people that have to decide who will be Ozeki a hard time (I'd guess only Kiribayama and maybe Daieisho get it if this happens, but who knows!)

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11 minutes ago, mt fuji said:

Also really hope that Wakamotoharu beats Daieisho, Hoshoryu beats Kiribayama, and they all win the rest of their matches, just to give the people that have to decide who will be Ozeki a hard time (I'd guess only Kiribayama and maybe Daieisho get it if this happens, but who knows!)

Hoshoryu and Waka have no chance, their first basho of the supposed run was in single digits - and maximum total wins would be only 30 and 32 respectively. 

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42 minutes ago, mt fuji said:

Looking forward to the inevitable Hokuseiho - Shodai match where they both just stand straight up at the tachiai and wait for the other one to move forward

Can anybody remember when we saw the last mizu-iri in Makuuchi?

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22 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Hoshoryu and Waka have no chance, their first basho of the supposed run was in single digits - and maximum total wins would be only 30 and 32 respectively. 

Under these circumstances, and even more so if Takakeisho doesn't get his eight, I think that 32 would be a slam dunk promotion. Unless someone else puts up the real numbers, and perhaps even then.

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Just now, Kashunowaka said:

Under these circumstances, and even more so if Takakeisho doesn't get his eight, I think that 32 would be a slam dunk promotion. Unless someone else puts up the real numbers, and perhaps even then.

Kyokai should be in no rush to suddenly have 4 ozeki. :-D And Kiribayama's 10 wins seem quite likely in case they need an "emergency" ozeki. 

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17 hours ago, Reonito said:

There are 3 spots open before we get to him, and another likely one in Tsushimanada, but it might take something like this to save him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is when Takanoiwa was out due to alleged karaoke remote related injuries, right?

The soft demotion might've been helped by some extra sympathy for him (which was my impression at the time), and also to avoid adding more fuel to the Takanohana fire. Both of which aged like milk...

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15 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is when Takanoiwa was out due to alleged karaoke remote related injuries, right?

The soft demotion might've been helped by some extra sympathy for him (which was my impression at the time), and also to avoid adding more fuel to the Takanohana fire. Both of which aged like milk...

Good memory, sounds it might have been even more explicit than latent sympathy.

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8 hours ago, Rocks said:

Even more impressive is Hokuseiho had a bad grip on a lose belt and still did it. 

If he can learn to use BOTH hands, that'd be great.

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1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

Can anybody remember when we saw the last mizu-iri in Makuuchi?

I think Shodai would try to get something going sooner than later... I'd guess the next one somehow involves two of Hokuseiho, Daishoho, and Mitoryu

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2 hours ago, mt fuji said:

Looking forward to the inevitable Hokuseiho - Shodai match where they both just stand straight up at the tachiai and wait for the other one to move forward

Japan Times exclusive: "The End of 'Thinking Man's Sumo?'"

[It could have been worse; I thought of looking up the Monty Python "Upper Class Twit of the Year" video]

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I'm not just gonna say it, but I'm just gonna say it. Ura still up in Makuuchi beating Daiki - now 10-3 head 2 head all time.

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4 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Can anybody remember when we saw the last mizu-iri in Makuuchi?

The one I remember is this, but I'm not sure which basho it was

On 06/06/2013 at 01:29, Akinomaki said:

Kotonowaka-Musashimaru (very long, mizu-iri, uwatenage)

BTW, I saw that they blocked my May 2000 sumo presentation videos as well (YT made them private, not I - and they were not listed on my channel), contains of course old footage from Japanese TV, but with my comment and the original sound turned down. At the time for one part I got a message for the background music like: contains copyrighted material by ..., who allows it, but with the use of CMs

The video here has also been removed:

On 01/11/2013 at 22:41, Akinomaki said:

3 famous long torikumi – starting at 30min.
http://video.fc2.com/de/content/201310265zTafAsH/

Aki 1973 day 14 Takanohana I – Wajima, mizu-iri: both went to ozeki after that basho.

Haru 1978 day 7 Asahikuni-Kaiketsu, 2 times mizu-iri, with a 10min. break after the 2nd, total of 10:23min.

Natsu 1988 day 1 Kirishima-Mitoizumi, 4 bouts, 3 times tori-naoshi
(longest bout after WWII: 1951 Odachi-Futaseyama 32min. - sumo reference only has a Otachi, they met twice that year)

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12 hours ago, Katooshu said:

In real time I completely missed the hair pull - I think because it wasn't the topknot and hence didn't get moved around as much it was harder to spot. There's 5 shimp and you'd expect 1 of them to notice, but individually I can see how it would slip past them, especially the pair seated to the front of Hiradoumi.

I just watched the replays and it's still totally unclear to me if he actually pulled the hair, or just pushed with a partially closed hand on the back of Hiradoumi's head. I don't know how they'd possibly make that call, even with the benefit of replay.

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5 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Can anybody remember when we saw the last mizu-iri in Makuuchi?

Terunofuji - Ichinojo

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