Hidenoyama-beya

[Akinomaki 40,053]

12 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

The heya has now been officially recognized for breaking off from Sadogatake after the rijikai met on the 26th Japan time. The heya will start operations on October 19th

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202409260000382.html

Hidenoyama takes 4 jd rikishi with him: Kotokoguchi, Kotomunakata, Kotohanashiro and of course Kotomotomura

- no mention of urakata

[Katooshu 3,181]

Any idea if the Hidenoyama rikishi will be de-Koto'd? 

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

5 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Any idea if the Hidenoyama rikishi will be de-Koto'd? 

A ritual circumcision?

[Asashosakari 18,968]

15 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Any idea if the Hidenoyama rikishi will be de-Koto'd? 

Probably; it happened straight away with both uchideshi that Naruto took in 2017. 

[Seregost 130]

11 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Probably; it happened straight away with both uchideshi that Naruto took in 2017. 

Any possibility they take the Giku or something? (No idea if that makes any sense, my japanese is below 0)

[Churaumi 728]

 

12 minutes ago, Seregost said:

Any possibility they take the Giku or something? (No idea if that makes any sense, my japanese is below 0)

Wouldn't be unusual for them to end in -kiku or -giku as grammatically relevant, oyokata tend to take part of their shikona to name their wrestlers. Koto is taken and -sho- is pretty general.

[Gurowake 4,016]

Not all heya have naming conventions, but certainly -giku would be unique.  There's a problem if he wanted to move it to the front though - there's a Futagoyama-beya rikishi currently with Kiku via the same kanji at the front of his shikona, though in his case it's his real name and there's been lots of previous rikishi that used it as well, so presumably the name is somewhat common.  Kotoshogiku's real name also started with Kiku as can be seen on his original shikona with Koto- prefixed, but his permanent shikona used it as a suffix that apparently was never done before (or since), so keeping it as a suffix should make it stand out.

[Ryoshishokunin 275]

Eh, it's not like there aren't some other koto-blanks out there that aren't sadogatake men if he went with a prefix; the same for waka- and taka- etc.  The bigger weirdness for me would be that it's part of his actual name.   

[Seregost 130]

18 minutes ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

Eh, it's not like there aren't some other koto-blanks out there that aren't sadogatake men if he went with a prefix; the same for waka- and taka- etc.  The bigger weirdness for me would be that it's part of his actual name.   

Kotokuzan from Arashio beya, for example, but in this case, AFAIK, the "Koto" is written differently and probably means something not related to the musical Koto that Sadogatake uses

[Akinomaki 40,053]

31 minutes ago, Seregost said:

Kotokuzan from Arashio beya, for example, but in this case, AFAIK, the "Koto" is written differently and probably means something not related to the musical Koto that Sadogatake uses

Kou-Toku-zan

[Yubinhaad 11,594]

4 hours ago, Churaumi said:

-sho- is pretty general.

Well yeah, in Romaji. The kanji 奨 in Kotoshogiku is rare in shikona, and also has a nice meaning, to exhort or encourage. I think that would make a good choice for rikishi of a new heya. He might also use the first kanji from the heya too, currently unused on the banzuke.

[Ryoshishokunin 275]

2 hours ago, Seregost said:

Kotokuzan from Arashio beya, for example, but in this case, AFAIK, the "Koto" is written differently and probably means something not related to the musical Koto that Sadogatake uses

You're right on this one--I thought I'd checked this a while ago, but it must've been a different one of the naming conventions.  

[Seregost 130]

7 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Kou-Toku-zan

Well, that's s really different "Koto" then 

[rokudenashi 296]

14 hours ago, Seregost said:

Any possibility they take the Giku or something? (No idea if that makes any sense, my japanese is below 0)

I suggested this last year, but quickly realised that he probably wouldn’t use that since it’s part of his actual surname Kikutsugi. I can’t think of a case where that’s happened before.

Not sure how I feel about 奨 - I like the meaning, but none of its readings stand out or incorporate well into shikona. I think I’d prefer if he went the old school route and didn’t impose a watermark on his deshi’s shikona at all.

[rhyen 1,823]

https://hidenoyama.jp/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2XUOmOaA7iWZtK__zudCJJbMATL8yAoukriaZHZ19IbHpL4vKzekFxRHE_aem_I9xn6nkkdA0vE1a0gUyWkQ

[Akinomaki 40,053]

Hidenoyama with his deshi - still at Koto-: Kotomotomura, Kotomunakata, shisho, Kotokoguchi, Kotohanashiro

Hidenoyama has a column in Tospo, this time he reported about his own new heya starting to operate on the 19th, in his hometown Yanagawa, the lodgings for Kyushu. Apparently Tospo thus has the exclusive rights on the news about heya.

"The final goal is of course to raise a yokozuna." He wants to have a manager in the heya who specializes in preparing the food, starting before the Kyushu basho - some ex-Sadogatake I guess. The young guys shouldn't stop with training to prepare the meals. http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/320903

Edited October 21 by Akinomaki

[Yamanashi 3,777]

4 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

The young guys shouldn't stop with training to prepare the meals.

 ... thus removing them from one of the top careers for ex-rikishi.  Of course, getting to Yokozuna would make up for that.

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

6 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

 ... thus removing them from one of the top careers for ex-rikishi.  Of course, getting to Yokozuna would make up for that.

I hope all of his deshi have Yokozuna potential. 

[Muhomatsu 224]

I have a question about Sadogatake-beya after these four uchi-deshi moved to join Hidenoyama-beya. I recall a few years' back (pre-Covid) that Sadogatake was one of the heya with the most rikishi in it and I have the impression that it has massively shrunk in size.  It has 18 wrestlers now, making it still a large stable - but it has lost many wrestlers since the start of the pandemic. I count 6 retirements in 2020 (including Kotoshogiku who stayed as oyakata), 10 retirements in 2021 (a large wave in May 2021 and also Kotoyuki, who stayed as oyakata), and 12 retirements from 2022-24 (including Kotoeko and Kotoyusho, who stayed as oyakata and wakamonogashira, respectively).  This means 28 wrestlers retired during that period.There have been only eight recruitments since that time, four of whom were uchi-deshi of Hidenoyama - so only four "Sadogatake" recruits over the same period.  That means the stable has shrunk by 24 rikishi over the period 2021-2024 - or by more than 50%.  I wonder if the stories of serving rotten meat and poor treatment of wrestlers are true and taking their toll over time.

[Akinomaki 40,053]

Hidenoyama-beya started posting pics from the start of training today at the heya location in Yanagawa

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looks like they already have the food manager (or a new recruit)

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and local news reported it

the members were at the city hall on the 23rd

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without Kotomotomura, but with a new guy

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tomorrow they serve chanko to the locals

[Akinomaki 40,053]

The 5 members of the heya for their first basho in Kyushu - some new names:

Kikuryuho (Kotomunakata), Hidenoyama (Kotoshogiku, 40), Kikunoshiro (Kotohanashiro)

Kosei (Kotomotomura), new recruit Ideno, Seiyu (Kotokoguchi, 19) - all without age indicated are 16

The heya in Sumida ward is under construction and planned to be complete end of November http://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/-/1512720?display=1

[Akinomaki 40,053]

Hidenoyama-beya at the training camp

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with the 3 16y old rikishi

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They already have the manager for food preparation - Kosei: "I can concentrate on training"

at the kids event on the 3rd

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on a visit to a nursery school on the 30th

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vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcKodMmCThc

Edited November 9 by Akinomaki