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While it appears Ochiai is not getting a new shikona for his jūryō promotion, I thought it would be fun to blindly speculate on what it might be if/when he does get one.

It’s reasonable to expect that any shikona he receives will have 鵬 - hō - at the end, but outside of that parameter it’s open season.

So, I’ll start off with a few that came to mind:

  • 伯州鵬 (Hakushūhō) - for two reasons, the obvious being that it sounds similar to his stablemaster’s, and the second being that Hakushū was a name for a historical province which now forms part of Tottori prefecture. Ochiai’s hometown, Kurayoshi, was the capital. It’s not uncommon for rikishi to receive a shikona including a historical reference to their shusshin
  • 伯耆鵬 (Hōkihō) - Hōki is another name for Hakushū province. Sounds a lot like Hōkahō so maybe not likely
  • 光鵬 (Kōhō) - in honour of Miyagino’s late senpai Kōbō, taking the first character from his shikona. Additionally, two of his uchideshi already have single-character references to elemental concepts - Enhō with the kanji for flames (炎) and Raihō with thunder (雷)
  • 電鵬 (Denhō) - similar to the above, taking the character for electricity/lightning
  • 銀甲鵬 (Ginkōhō) - this has no basis, just my imagination. 銀 being silver, 甲 being armour, or more appropriately back, as he reminds me of a silverback gorilla in some respects :-)

Anyway, interested in your ideas! The more creative the better.

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1 hour ago, rokudenashi said:

While it appears Ochiai is not getting a new shikona for his jūryō promotion, I thought it would be fun to blindly speculate on what it might be if/when he does get one.

It’s reasonable to expect that any shikona he receives will have 鵬 - hō - at the end, but outside of that parameter it’s open season.

So, I’ll start off with a few that came to mind:

  • 伯州鵬 (Hakushūhō) - for two reasons, the obvious being that it sounds similar to his stablemaster’s, and the second being that Hakushū was a name for a historical province which now forms part of Tottori prefecture. Ochiai’s hometown, Kurayoshi, was the capital. It’s not uncommon for rikishi to receive a shikona including a historical reference to their shusshin
  • 伯耆鵬 (Hōkihō) - Hōki is another name for Hakushū province. Sounds a lot like Hōkahō so maybe not likely
  • 光鵬 (Kōhō) - in honour of Miyagino’s late senpai Kōbō, taking the first character from his shikona. Additionally, two of his uchideshi already have single-character references to elemental concepts - Enhō with the kanji for flames (炎) and Raihō with thunder (雷)
  • 電鵬 (Denhō) - similar to the above, taking the character for electricity/lightning
  • 銀甲鵬 (Ginkōhō) - this has no basis, just my imagination. 銀 being silver, 甲 being armour, or more appropriately back, as he reminds me of a silverback gorilla in some respects :-)

Anyway, interested in your ideas! The more creative the better.

Hmm, I think out of yours Koho seems most likely.. Hakuho seems to prefer short shikona (with the exception of Hokuseiho)

Hakushuho is a bit similar to Hakuho without actually being it, so i'm not too fond of it.

Denho sounds an awful lot like Enho, but then again, he has a Senho, too.

I like the sound and meaning of Ginkoho best, out of yours! Honestly i'd really like to see him take that name on.

and while i believe it's unlikely he'd ever give it to another rikishi, he did not receive an ichidai toshiyori so there could technically always be another Hakuho. ;-)

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Not strictly on topic, but:

https://hochi.news/articles/20230125-OHT1T51256.html?page=1

So apparently they didn't expect Ochiai to be promoted this fast, and he's supposed to get a shikona in future (they couldn't make it before the cutoff of the banzuke meeting on Wednesday). Miyagino will think more about it after his danpatsu. 

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15 hours ago, rokudenashi said:

While it appears Ochiai is not getting a new shikona for his jūryō promotion, I thought it would be fun to blindly speculate on what it might be if/when he does get one.

It’s reasonable to expect that any shikona he receives will have 鵬 - hō - at the end, but outside of that parameter it’s open season.

So, I’ll start off with a few that came to mind:

  • 伯州鵬 (Hakushūhō) - for two reasons, the obvious being that it sounds similar to his stablemaster’s, and the second being that Hakushū was a name for a historical province which now forms part of Tottori prefecture. Ochiai’s hometown, Kurayoshi, was the capital. It’s not uncommon for rikishi to receive a shikona including a historical reference to their shusshin
  • 伯耆鵬 (Hōkihō) - Hōki is another name for Hakushū province. Sounds a lot like Hōkahō so maybe not likely
  • 光鵬 (Kōhō) - in honour of Miyagino’s late senpai Kōbō, taking the first character from his shikona. Additionally, two of his uchideshi already have single-character references to elemental concepts - Enhō with the kanji for flames (炎) and Raihō with thunder (雷)
  • 電鵬 (Denhō) - similar to the above, taking the character for electricity/lightning
  • 銀甲鵬 (Ginkōhō) - this has no basis, just my imagination. 銀 being silver, 甲 being armour, or more appropriately back, as he reminds me of a silverback gorilla in some respects :-)

Anyway, interested in your ideas! The more creative the better.

伯州鵬 (Hakushūhō) could lead to a fun tie in to the whisky, though that is 白州, which has the advantage not only of some sweet Suntory kensho, but also the same first character of his stablemaster as well. 

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4 hours ago, Tochinofuji said:

伯州鵬 (Hakushūhō) could lead to a fun tie in to the whisky, though that is 白州, which has the advantage not only of some sweet Suntory kensho, but also the same first character of his stablemaster as well. 

And sound-wise, sounds like applause in Japanese..

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5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Not strictly on topic, but:

https://hochi.news/articles/20230125-OHT1T51256.html?page=1

So apparently they didn't expect Ochiai to be promoted this fast, and he's supposed to get a shikona in future (they couldn't make it before the cutoff of the banzuke meeting on Wednesday). Miyagino will think more about it after his danpatsu. 

Imagine doing so well so quickly that your stable master can't even make a name for you 

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1 hour ago, Chartorenji said:

Imagine doing so well so quickly that your stable master can't even make a name for you 

One could say he's making a name for himself

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7 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Not strictly on topic, but:

https://hochi.news/articles/20230125-OHT1T51256.html?page=1

So apparently they didn't expect Ochiai to be promoted this fast, and he's supposed to get a shikona in future (they couldn't make it before the cutoff of the banzuke meeting on Wednesday). Miyagino will think more about it after his danpatsu. 

22 hours ago, rokudenashi said:

 

  • 光鵬 (Kōhō) - in honour of Miyagino’s late senpai Kōbō, taking the first character from his shikona. Additionally, two of his uchideshi already have single-character references to elemental concepts - Enhō with the kanji for flames (炎) and Raihō with thunder (雷)
  • 電鵬 (Denhō) - similar to the above, taking the character for electricity/lightning

Considering how rapid he has been, perhaps Miyagino should pick one of these two. Alternatively, could it be possible making up something like 稲妻鵬, with the characters for inazuma? I have a poor knowledge of on'yomi reading, but in case it is a viable option it could at a same time refer to his lighting-rapid ascent, and to 19th century Yokozuna Inazuma Raigorō, who was possibly the youngest ever - back then - to be promoted Yokozuna (28 years old - back then, I said :-P).

 

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5 hours ago, Hankegami said:

Alternatively, could it be possible making up something like 稲妻鵬, with the characters for inazuma?

Using the kan’on readings for 稲妻 you would get Tōseihō, which sounds feasible, and while I’ve never seen the word expressed as on’yomi in any context, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility.

This might just be me, but when I think of a wrestler like Ochiai - not flashy, lots of raw power (bukotsu as they would say), I tend to associate that with on’yomi readings - must be some weird synesthetic response.

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Hoo (Houou) usually 鳳凰, the firebird - the name of an ancient ozeki of Miyagino-beya, but for him 鵬桜, with the sakura from Kotozakura (the yokozuna from his hometown Kurayoshi)  - actually exists as the name for the alumni association of the medical faculty of Hirosaki university

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32 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Hoo (Houou) usually 鳳凰, the firebird - the name of an ancient ozeki of Miyagino-beya, but for him 鵬桜, with the sakura from Kotozakura (the yokozuna from his hometown Kurayoshi)  - actually exists as the name for the alumni association of the medical faculty of Hirosaki university

That’s interesting insight, thanks. I knew of the Hōō (鳳凰) from the 70s/80s but not this one.

Placing the character somewhere other than at the end would be an exceptional case, but then again, Ochiai is an exceptional prospect...

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Nikkan is guessing as well- they asked people regarding a possible shikona. 

Yuuhou (UFO, very cool)

Mahou (strong as the devil)

 Chouhou

Hokujouhou, Hokugihou (using alma mater name)

Hakurikihou

Ikihou 

Teppou

Ochiai-different spelling

Hokutenhou

Shouryuuhou

Houkihou

Kouhou

Houkiyama

Daisenhou

Hakuhou (different spelling)

Seishihou

Utsubukihou

Tenhou, Ryuuhou, 

Hakushuuhou

And a million others that can be read in many ways- no hiragana accompaniment.

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202301270000551.html

 

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4 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Nikkan is guessing as well- they asked people regarding a possible shikona. 

Yuuhou (UFO, very cool)

Mahou (strong as the devil)

 Chouhou

Hokujouhou, Hokugihou (using alma mater name)

Hakurikihou

Ikihou 

Teppou

Ochiai-different spelling

Hokutenhou

Shouryuuhou

Houkihou

Kouhou

Houkiyama

Daisenhou

Hakuhou (different spelling)

Seishihou

Utsubukihou

Tenhou, Ryuuhou, 

Hakushuuhou

And a million others that can be read in many ways- no hiragana accompaniment.

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202301270000551.html

 

No doubt some of these were stolen from this exact thread...

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