Ajigawa beya born

[Chartorenji 235]

this the one place where you see more debate on names and their origins versus actual sumo. 

[Kaitetsu 277]

1 hour ago, Chartorenji said:

this the one place where you see more debate on names and their origins versus actual sumo. 

*sweats in iima/Lima discussion*

[Godango 956]

So we're all agreed. He is from Brazil. 

[Kintamayama 44,346]

On 27/02/2023 at 00:41, Kaitetsu said:

“Agora” means “now” in portuguese, I wonder if its a coincidence or intended.

Agora is the smallest monetary unit in Hebrew, like a cent. 100 agora equal one shekel. Maybe he’s Jewish too?

[Chartorenji 235]

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Agora is the smallest monetary unit in Hebrew, like a cent. 100 agora equal one shekel. Maybe he’s Jewish too?

I've heard he is Brazilian, Italian, French, Japanese, and now Jewish. We need a 23 and Me stat. 

[Kintamayama 44,346]

33 minutes ago, Chartorenji said:

I've heard he is Brazilian, Italian, French, Japanese, and now Jewish. We need a 23 and Me stat. 

It was a joke, of course..

[Doitsuyama 1,173]

23 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

I did think the idea was something like "the time is NOW" but that's better.

HOWEVER, I hope the kanji don't read Agoura instead of Agora, as it changes from "now" to a form of the verb "to jinx". (Agourar/agoirar)

(To the language nerds, that's the indicative present, third person singular form of "to jinx" i.e. he jinxes something.)

The kanji read Agoura, but apparently this means something very different from what you think it means. The "ou" in Japanese transcription means a long "o", there is nothing of the "u", while the "ou" in Agourar is an o and an u, something completely different. 

[Rocks 1,807]

Thee used to be an Agora Ballroom in my state but it closed a long time ago. Had some good concerts but never hosted Sumo . That's all I have to add to this conversation.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Can we now agree to hand Iima/Agōra the prize for "Most Linguistic Debates Sparked Over Name/Shikona"?

[Yamanashi 3,723]

5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Can we now agree to hand Iima/Agōra the prize for "Most Linguistic Debates Sparked Over Name/Shikona"?

I'm not sure, since I started in 2017.  But more importantly, this chit-chat about a shikona is taking up important bandwidth that could be spent talking about the shisho's hairpiece!

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

Agora reading this thread

 

[Akinomaki 39,756]

Agora this month graduated from Nagoya university of economics and had an extra graduation ceremony on the 29th - with the oyakata, his parents, his teacher from high school and a few others

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he also got an university president award for his outstanding sports abilities from the president

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[Akinomaki 39,756]

Ajigawa on March 31st went to the Komazawa Univ. Tomakomai High School baseball club for scouting and gave the members a sumo lesson

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[Kintamayama 44,346]

Official opening of the heya today at its premises. Kotoku-Tokyo.. 4 story building. First floor dohyo, second floor chanko preparing and the large room. Isegahama Oyakata ("I'm happy for him, I think I can still give him some advice.."), Asakayama Oyakata and others present. Wallpaper with historic woodblock prints on the staircase, the dohyo also with colorful wallpaper. No rear entrance, only from the front. He wants his rikishi to know they are from Ajigawa beya and be proud of it. "I will do my best to make the Ajigawa name noteworthy!" summed the Ajigawa Oyakata.

The foreigner is IIma/Agoura, Brazilian (?) origin, but listed as Japanese. Iima  Lucas Kazuo.

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Seiyashi 4,071]

59 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

The foreigner is IIma/Agoura, Brazilian (?) origin, but listed as Japanese. Iima  Lucas Kazuo.

Isn't it Danylo, if Agōra has a JP shusshin?

[Akinomaki 39,756]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

The foreigner is IIma/Agoura, Brazilian (?) origin, but listed as Japanese. Iima  Lucas Kazuo.

Isn't it Danylo, if Agōra has a JP shusshin?

Definitely, even more so than Hokuseiho: someone who already has the Japanese nationality at the shindeshi-kensa can't be called a foreigner anymore 

On 19/02/2023 at 18:41, Akinomaki said:

On 09/12/2022 at 13:13, Akinomaki said:

One for the new Ajigawa-beya, Lucas-Kazuo Iima 飯間ルーカス一夫 (23 - so under the accomplished athletes exception), from Kani, Gifu - rugby player (183cm, 155kg), Tounou (high school) graduate, Nagoya university of economics 4th year

On 12/12/2022 at 14:45, Akinomaki said:

He is of Brazilian descent (and was Brazilian till last year), his parents are from Brazil and he got the Japanese nationality as third year in university. https://www.sanspo.com/article/20221212-XTCLLPTX4FNWJDIWMG7DP3QGX4/

His parents have the Brazilian nationality, the father is a Japanese/Brazilian and the mother a French/Italian half.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Kintamayama 44,346]

Oh, is this Danylo already on the banzuke? Does he have a shikona? I am increasingly falling  out of the loop.  Geez.. I know Agoura is not the foreigner, as i did say he was listed as Japanese. I just thought the foreign looking guy in the photo was Agoura, but he doesn't look too Brazilian.. But this Danylo person? I must have missed the extensive thread about him. 

[Akinomaki 39,756]

55 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Oh, is this Danylo already on the banzuke? Does he have a shikona? I am increasingly falling  out of the loop.  Geez.. I know Agoura is not the foreigner, as i did say he was listed as Japanese. I just thought the foreign looking guy in the photo was Agoura, but he doesn't look too Brazilian.. But this Danylo person? I must have missed the extensive thread about him. 

No, Danylo is on his kenshuu trainee time, but a member of the heya from the start - mentioned in the new recruits, but not in this thread yet - with quotes from the extensive thread about him

On 10/01/2023 at 11:19, Akinomaki said:

On 26/08/2022 at 12:56, Akinomaki said:

This amateur has better chances, only 18 and Ukrainians recently get support everywhere, especially in Japan, with Taiho as Ukrainian haafu: Danylo YAVHUSISHYN ダニーロ・ヤブグシシン, 3rd at the 2019 Sumo world junior championships in Sakai in middle weight. He started with sumo age 7 at a local sports club and also does freestyle wrestling danylo-yavhusishyn-freestyle-wrestling-spf693584.html

End of February he fled with his mother to Düsseldorf (used to be called the Japanese capital in Europe, but no place to do sumo keiko - and alas, no direct flights to Japan anymore, with ANA that was very convenient for me), on March 8th he send a mail to Arata Yamanaka, the captain of the Kansai university sumo club in Osaka pref., whom he got acquainted with in Sakai - Yamanaka watched him there, was impressed and approached the 15 year old, since then they are in contact via social media and Yamanaka told him about Japan and sumo - the mail was: "Can't I take refuge in Japan?". Yamanaka helped him to get a visa as refugee, he came to Japan in mid April and now trains at the club. His dream is to become sekitori and have his family come to Japan. The visa has a time limit, so he wants to enter university and train, become strong and famous.

After the local article now one in Mainichi, so I guess it's time to post this

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On 06/09/2022 at 10:30, Akinomaki said:

After Kobe and Mainichi shimbun, now Daily sports has joined the promoters of ダーニャ/Daanya, Danylo's nickname - maybe we'll call him Danny here. His mentor took him to the Nagoya basho where he watched his favorite Wakatakakage live. Yamanaka thinks he is already good enough to reach the best 8 at the All Japan student championships. He wants to go into ozumo as soon as possible, his dream is to reach sanyaku. At age 17 he was European (junior) champion in the below 100kg class. He now stands at 180cm, 115kg.

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On 18/12/2022 at 09:05, Akinomaki said:

On 18/12/2022 at 04:41, Katooshu said:

Looks like Danylo got a spot in Ajigawa

So he started his 6 months kenshu period with the start of Ajigawa-beya - the reporter at the opening event was asleep, it seems, counting only 2 deshi

On 15/12/2022 at 16:05, Akinomaki said:

Ajigawa-beya had an opening event today for promoters, about 40 supporters were there, the future core for the koenkai activities. The heya starts with 2 members, the nephew and Iima, the new recruit from the Meikeidai rugby club. The oyakata puts on the mawashi to train with them. He had graduated from a one year course at Waseda university in March. https://www.sanspo.com/article/20221215-RBNDHI66FRNIHG4BDB6RGFG2EA/

Sanspo wasn't among those who reported about Danylo so far

Ajigawa yesterday was a the kokugikan talk event and revealed that Danylo has entered the heya and has started with the 6 months kenshu period in December, he had been in the heya since the start. Danylo aims to be in the shindeshi kensa for Aki - apparently the rules for applying for the shindeshi kensa force the foreigners to wait even more than 6 months, so the total delay for the dohyo debut is nearly a year compared to a Japanese new recruit. This means they appear in many new recruits threads, because they remain new recruits for 5 basho.

Danylo was introduced to Ajigawa by a friend: "I met him several times and he he told me he wants to gambarize. I wanted to give him a chance." https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2023/01/10/kiji/20230110s00005000035000c.html

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[Koorifuu 886]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I just thought the foreign looking guy in the photo was Agoura, but he doesn't look too Brazilian.. 

He's the one on the left in the picture you posted above. He does look rather Japanese.

(Whilst I understand and respect your dedication to include single vowels in coda on shikona transcriptions, I feel like I should point out that the whole point of his is it's a double-entendre with the Portuguese word "agora" [m. "now"].)

[Akinomaki 39,756]

1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

He's the one on the left in the picture you posted above. He does look rather Japanese.

(Whilst I understand and respect your dedication to include single vowels in coda on shikona transcriptions, I feel like I should point out that the whole point of his is it's a double-entendre with the Portuguese word "agora" [m. "now"].)

But with long o like Iima for ima (=now)

[Kintamayama 44,346]

2 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

He's the one on the left in the picture you posted above. He does look rather Japanese.

(Whilst I understand and respect your dedication to include single vowels in coda on shikona transcriptions, I feel like I should point out that the whole point of his is it's a double-entendre with the Portuguese word "agora" [m. "now"].)

I understand that fully, but be that as it may, I didn’t invent anything new - I go with the hiragana always. They could easily have called him Agora , but if they went with Agoura, there must be some reason.. Maybe he met Ura some time ago, hence the shikona.

[Kintamayama 44,346]

55 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

But with long o like Iima for ima (=now)

Ima in Hebrew is mother. Ima in Japanese also means living room. Just felt everyone should be on the same page.

[Akinomaki 39,756]

14 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Official opening of the heya today at its premises. Kotoku-Tokyo.. 4 story building. First floor dohyo, second floor chanko preparing and the large room. Isegahama Oyakata ("I'm happy for him, I think I can still give him some advice.."), Asakayama Oyakata and others present. Wallpaper with historic woodblock prints on the staircase, the dohyo also with colorful wallpaper. No rear entrance, only from the front. He wants his rikishi to know they are from Ajigawa beya and be proud of it. "I will do my best to make the Ajigawa name noteworthy!" summed the Ajigawa Oyakata.

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variations

oo oooo 

The other pics today

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art at the heya

o oo

dohyo-biraki

o o o o o o o o

o o o

oo

news clip: https://www.rab.co.jp/news/news1088u33r7t1whup55vj.html

[Katooshu 3,132]

Is that yobidashi a toddler?

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

Is that yobidashi a toddler?

A small dog is a puppy forever, as they say.