GTB invitation- Kyushu 2022- Results!!

[Kintamayama 47,273]

It's a game called GTB. It's not easy, but very gratifying, much like eating a cream-filled doughnut while on a diet. I am inviting you all to play. After last basho, this one should be a piece of cake!! (Oops, diet..)

This is a formal invitation to play the "Guess the Banzuke" game!! 25 years, 148 bashos. Please play. Free entry before October 24th.

Game rules: Guess the Banzuke. Simple. You get two points for a bulls-eye and one point for just getting the rank right. You get no points for asking for an Ozeki to KK. Tiebreakers - Most total guesses, then we check the banzuke backwards - getting the lower half right will be important.  The most correct guesses in the last ten places will win the tiebreaker. If still tied, we go up a ranking at a time like a penalty shootout. If still tied, I suggest the player with the most facial hair wins. It's up to you to check if you are on the list of entries. It's going to be your fault if you don't notice that your entry went missing in the Internet void. No late entries will be expected or accepted. Those are the rules, and the rules will never be changed. Much like my underwear.

For rules, standings and tickets to the new Marvel film "Ironman" starring Tamawashi : http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

For the nifty entry form, which will hopefully continue to do what it's intended to do : http://sumodb.sumoga...b/GTBEntry.aspx

For the "new" archives: http://sumodb.sumoga...gtbarchive.aspx

See if you are on the entry list: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntryList.aspx

Deadline: Monday, October 24th, 2022 at 18:00 GMT ("Grand Master Tamawashi !") - PLEASE NOTE-THIS IS ONE WEEK BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Special thanks to showrunner Andoreasu, Wizard Doitsuyama for everything else, and Ringo for the apples.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Seiyashi 4,109]

Helper sheet for Kyūshū GTB: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OGwPuh-hkMqcyPhwWS_2nW9dqZstIqjuAAhkK558t1c/edit?usp=sharing

Edited September 27, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Yarimotsu 645]

When I saw there was only 4 sekiwake and 4 komusubi slots on the entry form I was relieved. I don't know if it was possible but I didn't want to have to seriously think about 5 of one as an outcome. Is it actually specified that 4 is the maximum, or are there just no counterexamples so it's assumed?

[Sakura 1,524]

30 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

When I saw there was only 4 sekiwake and 4 komusubi slots on the entry form I was relieved. I don't know if it was possible but I didn't want to have to seriously think about 5 of one as an outcome. Is it actually specified that 4 is the maximum, or are there just no counterexamples so it's assumed?

There were 5 sekiwake in Nagoya 1972

[Sumo Spiffy 667]

31 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

When I saw there was only 4 sekiwake and 4 komusubi slots on the entry form I was relieved. I don't know if it was possible but I didn't want to have to seriously think about 5 of one as an outcome. Is it actually specified that 4 is the maximum, or are there just no counterexamples so it's assumed?

If it looked like there was a theoretical possibility of five komusubi (or sekiwake), I'm sure something would be done to account for that in GTB. In this case, there are several reasons that work against there being five komusubi, even if Takayasu were considered worthy of yet another fresh slot, so it doesn't seem like something we need to worry about. (Also, over time the committees have grown more and more reluctant to pop open new slots, so that works against the likelihood of it happening as well.)

[Sakura 1,524]

1 minute ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

If it looked like there was a theoretical possibility of five komusubi (or sekiwake), I'm sure something would be done to account for that in GTB. In this case, there are several reasons that work against there being five komusubi, even if Takayasu were considered worthy of yet another fresh slot, so it doesn't seem like something we need to worry about. (Also, over time the committees have grown more and more reluctant to pop open new slots, so that works against the likelihood of it happening as well.)

It was updated to include an M18 rank when we realised that there would only be 7 sanyaku members back in 2020.

[Gurowake 4,152]

On 27/09/2022 at 03:15, Kintamayama said:

Ringo for the apples

I watched a game review for some game that I think was made by the Japanese, in which the main character was named Ringo; I think it was supposed to be "Apple" in Japanese, but that sounded stupid in English, so they just left it "Ringo", despite the character being female and it not seeming like a female name in western circles.  Of course, because in the game there are 3 companions of the main character, the reviewer felt it necessary to call them "John, Paul, and George" and wondered if it was too obvious of a joke.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 4,152]

A reminder to people about scoring, because this will probably come up and I think there were questions about it last time: you get one point for the the right rank and wrong position, and for sanyaku the rank just means which title they have.  So if you have the same 4 Komusubi as there actually are on the banzuke, your minimum score is 4 for the Komusubi is 4, even if you have the order completely backwards. 

[Kintamayama 47,273]

A week to go. Disappointing numbers. I am very disappointed. I may have to go now. Anything less than 130 and I will have to eat a chocolate cake whole.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Kujo 127]

I got the last cream-filled donut but someone had squeezed all the cream out of it. It was very unsatisfying, much like my present GTB picks. I mean, 4 sekiwake, 3 komusubi, no ozeki, half a yokozuna. What's this sumo world coming to? We keep going like this, instead of hiramaku basho winners, will have a juryo ranked rikishi winning makuuchi... 

[Gurowake 4,152]

We're up to around 120 now with less than a day to go.  121 on the list and I'm guessing at least one direct entry that isn't on the list, as one time I checked there were less people on the list then the number used in the thread title.

Edited October 23, 2022 by Gurowake

[Fujisan 535]

Are we out of time beause I cant get the entry form?

[Kintamayama 47,273]

41 minutes ago, Fujisan said:

Are we out of time beause I cant get the entry form?

The entry form is fine-I'm entering as we write.

[Fujisan 535]

24 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

The entry form is fine-I'm entering as we write.

I was having problems(Not my fault,for a change) but I am entered now....Thanks Moti!

[Hidenotora 82]

I make it 142 entries, so the chocolate cake is safe! 3rd highest number of entrants ever right?

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

On 29/09/2022 at 07:42, Sakura said:

It was updated to include an M18 rank when we realised that there would only be 7 sanyaku members back in 2020.

There was quite a run there on the bottom row of the banzuke, from Wakatakakage -> Kiribayama/Tokushoryu -> Kotonowaka -> Terunofuji/Kotoyuki -> Ichinojo, and you can even toss in Shimanoumi's 11-1 start in the following basho before things revert back to the expectation.

[Kintamayama 47,273]

3 hours ago, Hidenotora said:

I make it 142 entries, so the chocolate cake is safe! 3rd highest number of entrants ever right?

Eggs!

[Gurowake 4,152]

Terunofuji(5-5 Ye)	Y
Takakeisho(10-5 Oe)	O	Shodai(4-11 Ow)
Wakatakakage(11-4 Se)	S	Hoshoryu(8-7 Sw)
	S	Mitakeumi(4-11 Ow)
Kiribayama(9-6 Kw)	K	Tamawashi(13-2 M3e)
Tobizaru(10-5 M1e)	K	Daieisho(7-8 Se)
Takayasu(11-4 M4w)	M1	Kotonowaka(8-7 M2e)
Meisei(8-7 M2w)	M2	Wakamotoharu(10-5 M6e)
Ura(8-7 M3w)	M3	Ichinojo(6-9 Kw)
Midorifuji(7-8 M1w)	M4	Sadanoumi(9-6 M5w)
Hokutofuji(10-5 M8w)	M5	Nishikifuji(10-5 M10e)
Ryuden(11-4 M12w)	M6	Nishikigi(6-9 M4e)
Endo(7-8 M6w)	M7	Myogiryu(8-7 M9e)
Takanosho(8-7 M10w)	M8	Tochinoshin(7-8 M8e)
Aoiyama(6-9 M7e)	M9	Takarafuji(5-10 M5e)
Abi(0-0 Ke)	M10	Chiyoshoma(9-6 M14e)
Kotoeko(6-9 M9w)	M11	Kotoshoho(7-8 M11e)
Onosho(5-10 M7w)	M12	Chiyotairyu(6-9 M11w)
Okinoumi(6-9 M12e)	M13	Oho(7-8 M13w)
Ichiyamamoto(6-9 M13e)	M14	Azumaryu(9-6 J2w)
Kagayaki(9-6 J4e)	M15	Atamifuji(8-7 J3e)
Tohakuryu(8-7 J3w)	M16	Hiradoumi(7-8 M16w)

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

Trying to guess what they were going to do basically put me in a state of decision paralysis that led to not submitting anything the past 2 tournaments.

Over the weekend I watched 60% of the tournament again (down to makushita) and submitted these picks at the last minute based on what I think they *should* do, as opposed to what I think they will do. Originally I had Tamawashi at Komosubi but I realized doing the right thing was so much easier if I move him up and let Takayasu be a Komosubi this time around. Also the bottom is a mess (I couldn't believe my calculations actually decided to factor in Bushozan's 8-7 result) but I couldn't justify letting Hiradoumi or anyone else stick around. Also I agree with anyone who thinks that they *will* slot Kiribayama ahead of Tobizaru, but should they? Meh.

 

Terunofuji(5-5 Ye)	Y
Takakeisho(10-5 Oe)	O	Shodai(4-11 Ow)
Wakatakakage(11-4 Se)	S	Hoshoryu(8-7 Sw)
Tamawashi (13-2 M3e)	S	Mitakeumi(4-11 Ow)
Tobizaru (10-5 M1e)	K	Kiribayama (9-6 Kw)
Takayasu (11-4 M4w)	K	Daieisho(7-8 Se)
Kotonowaka (8-7 M2e)	M1	Wakamotoharu (10-5 M6e)
Meisei(8-7 M2w)	M2	Midorifuji (7-8 M1w)
Ura (8-7 M3w)	M3	Ichinojo (6-9 Kw)
Sadanoumi (9-6 M5w)	M4	Hokutofuji (10-5 M8w)
Nishikifuji (10-5 M10e)	M5	Ryuden (11-4 M12w)
Nishikigi (6-9 M4e)	M6	Endo (7-8 M6w)
Myogiryu (8-7 M9e)	M7	Takanosho (8-7 M10w)
Tochinoshin (7-8 M8e)	M8	Takarafuji (5-10 M5e)
Aoiyama (6-9 M7e)	M9	Abi (0-0 Ke)
Chiyoshoma (9-6 M14e)	M10	Onosho (5-10 M7w)
Kotoeko (6-9 M9w)	M11	Kotoshoho (7-8 M11e)
Chiyotairyu (6-9 M11w)	M12	Okinoumi (6-9 M12e)
Azumaryu (9-6 J2w)	M13	Oho (7-8 M13w)
Ichiyamamoto(6-9 M13e)	M14	Kagayaki (9-6 J4e)
Atamifuji(8-7 J3e)	M15	Tohakuryu (8-7 J3w)
Bushozan (8-7 J4w)	M16

[Yarimotsu 645]

Terunofuji	Y1e
Takakeisho	O1e
Shodai	O1w
Wakatakakage	S1e
Hoshoryu	S1w
Mitakeumi	S2w
Kiribayama	K1e
Tamawashi	K1w
Tobizaru	K2w
Daieisho	K2e
Takayasu	M1e
Kotonowaka	M1w
Meisei	M2e
Midorifuji	M2w
Ura	M3e
Wakamotoharu	M3w
Ichinojo	M4e
Sadanoumi	M4w
Hokutofuji	M5e
Nishikifuji	M5w
Ryuden	M6e
Nishikigi	M6w
Endo	M7e
Myogiryu	M7w
Tochinoshin	M8e
Takanosho	M8w
Takarafuji	M9e
Aoiyama	M9w
Chiyoshoma	M10e
Abi	M10w
Onosho	M11e
Kotoshoho	M11w
Kotoeko	M12e
Chiyotairyu	M12w
Okinoumi	M13e
Oho	M13w
Ichiyamamoto	M14e
Azumaryu	M14w
Kagayaki	M15e
Terutsuyoshi	M15w
Atamifuji	M16e
Hiradoumi	M16w

Back again with my obnoxious single-file banzuke. I think the most contentious points are dropping ichinojo all the way to M4 (it's not entirely without precedent) and keeping terutsuyoshi above atamifuji. If consensus on the sanyaku is correct, my gut says there wasn't a whole lot to get wrong.

 

[Chiyotasuke 319]

Here are my picks:

[Godango 1,092]

Arghhhh I was moving house and completely forgot to do my gtb entry before I went off grid for a few days! That'll learn me. Best of luck, all.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

1 hour ago, Godango said:

Arghhhh I was moving house and completely forgot to do my gtb entry before I went off grid for a few days! That'll learn me. Best of luck, all.

Hope the house comes along fine!

My entry:

Y1e Terunofuji (5-5-5)	Y1	None
None	Y2	None
Ō1e Takakeishō (10-5)	Ō1	Ō1w Shōdai (4-11)
None	Ō2	None
None	Ō3	None
S1e Wakatakakage (11-4 JG)	S1	S1w Hōshōryū (8-7)
None	S2	Ō2w Mitakeumi (4-11)
K2w Kiribayama (9-6)	K1	S2e Daieishō (7-8)
M1e Tobizaru (10-5 S)	K2	M3e Tamawashi (13-2 YS)
M4w Takayasu (11-4 JK)	M1	M2e Kotonowaka (8-7)
M2w Meisei (8-7)	M2	M1w Midorifuji (7-8)
M3w Ura (8-7)	M3	M6e Wakamotoharu (10-5)
K1w Ichinojō (6-9)	M4	M5w Sadanoumi (9-6)
M8w Hokutofuji (10-5)	M5	M10e Nishikifuji (10-5)
M12w Ryūden (11-4 J)	M6	M4e Nishikigi (6-9)
M6w Endō (7-8)	M7	M9e Myōgiryū (8-7)
M10w Takanoshō (8-7)	M8	M8e Tochinoshin (7-8)
M5e Takarafuji (5-10)	M9	M7e Aoiyama (6-9)
K1e Abi (0-0-15)	M10	M14e Chiyoshōma (9-6)
M7w Ōnoshō (5-10)	M11	M11e Kotoshōhō (7-8)
M9w Kotoekō (6-9)	M12	J2w Azumaryū (9-6)
M11w Chiyotairyū (6-9)	M13	M13w Ōhō (7-8)
M12e Okinoumi (6-9)	M14	J4e Kagayaki (9-6)
M13e Ichiyamamoto (6-9)	M15	J3e Atamifuji (8-7)
J3w Tōhakuryū (8-7)	M16	M15e Terutsuyoshi (6-9)

58 points in common with Gurowake's, mainly because the east side from M11-M15 is staggered off by a bit.

[Athenayama 1,197]

@Gurowake for the yusho (or me but now I'm dreaming...)! Just because it will help for the Metasumo game. 

[Gurowake 4,152]

It may come down to Midorifuji's placement.  I know why people are thinking M2w for him, but that line of reasoning seems wrong to me.  General trends indicate that he should be behind Ichinojo (Komusubi usually win tiebreakers over maegashira, and are generally dropped as though they're M(-1)), and by the numbers he's 3 places behind Wakamotoharu (M1e vs M2w), which I don't think is enough to make up for the joi privilege.