Rikishi Status - 2022 Aki

[Godango 833]

13 hours ago, Tochinofuji said:

I suppose interesting aside, I wonder if it would be possible for Ishiura to obtain a kabu to stay on with the Kyokai in some capacity and still take on a coaching role. Likely unnecessary, but would add an interesting official connecton between Tottori and Miyagino stable or the broader Isegahama ichimon. 

Extremely unlikely that Ishiura would ever get a kabu. Never been sanyaku, relatively low sekitori numbers compared to others in his cohort, and I get the impression Miyagino doesn't have enough pull. 

Throw in that he has the likes of Terunofuji and Takarafuji certainly ahead of him in the queue already in his ichimon, and his clear career outside of the NSK and remaining connection with Miyagino I don't see him even considering it.

[Yubinhaad 11,025]

Ahead of Day 5, a pair from Sadogatake-beya start their basho, while two other rikishi are withdrawing.

Entering:

Sd8e Kotodaishin

Jd6w Kototaiga

Withdrawing:

Ms36w Nobehara (fusenpai Day 3) - couldn't put any weight on his right leg after his bout on Day 2 and was helped off the dohyo.

Jd86w Tsubakifuji (fusenpai Day 3)

[Yubinhaad 11,025]

A single withdrawal among the lower divisions ahead of Day 7:

Sd27w Kinotsukasa - suffered what seemed to be a leg injury after leaping from the dohyo on Day 5, the fall was out of shot of the Abema camera but he could be seen limping as he was helped away.

[maglor 102]

On 13/09/2022 at 21:58, Godango said:

Extremely unlikely that Ishiura would ever get a kabu. Never been sanyaku, relatively low sekitori numbers compared to others in his cohort, and I get the impression Miyagino doesn't have enough pull. 

 Throw in that he has the likes of Terunofuji and Takarafuji certainly ahead of him in the queue already in his ichimon, and his clear career outside of the NSK and remaining connection with Miyagino I don't see him even considering it.

Yeah if Hakuho does have the pull to get a dubious guy a kabu surely he tries to keep Enho in while Ishiura can be an unofficial part of the operation from Tottori

[shimodahito 265]

Yubinhaad,
  Too often I take this thread for granted; but it truly is a one-stop gem.  Thanks for having it every basho!

[Yamanashi 3,343]

5 hours ago, maglor said:

Yeah if Hakuho does have the pull to get a dubious guy a kabu surely he tries to keep Enho in while Ishiura can be an unofficial part of the operation from Tottori

Sorry to push this side-discussion farther along, but I don't get the point of having Ishiura hold a kabu while coaching part-time at Tottori.  Why would the NSK give a precious kabu to Miyagino's minor league rep?  It doesn't make any sense at all.  So, what am I missing?

[Chartorenji 205]

5 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Sorry to push this side-discussion farther along, but I don't get the point of having Ishiura hold a kabu while coaching part-time at Tottori.  Why would the NSK give a precious kabu to Miyagino's minor league rep?  It doesn't make any sense at all.  So, what am I missing?

think he's saying to keep Enho and let Ishiura be the feeder.

[Yubinhaad 11,025]

Ahead of Day 9, one rikishi effectively starts his basho while one more has withdrawn.

Returning:

Sd85w Hokutoyakumo (fusenpai Day 2, withdrew Day 3)

Withdrawing:

Jd69w Fubu - looked like a relatively minor right leg injury when he was put down by Asahimaru after a tsuridashi.

One other note, Jd101w Sawada had a fusenpai on Day 7 but hasn't withdrawn, he's scheduled to fight Terunosato on Day 9.

[Tochinofuji 297]

On 16/09/2022 at 22:59, Yamanashi said:

Sorry to push this side-discussion farther along, but I don't get the point of having Ishiura hold a kabu while coaching part-time at Tottori.  Why would the NSK give a precious kabu to Miyagino's minor league rep?  It doesn't make any sense at all.  So, what am I missing?

As the person who may have started the side discussion, I agree I don't know that there would be a point. My only thought would be it would help formalize the recruiting pipeline and help solidify it as exclusive. From Miyagino's perspective, that might be advantageous, but may not be from the Kyokai's perspective. I didn't mean to imply that the scheme should be considered or would necessarily be beneficial; mentally I was approaching it more from the perspective of both formal ethics and job requirements - I didn't know whether a kabu-holder was permitted to have a formal role with amateur sumo clubs in that way. 

[Yamanashi 3,343]

6 hours ago, Tochinofuji said:

As the person who may have started the side discussion, I agree I don't know that there would be a point. My only thought would be it would help formalize the recruiting pipeline and help solidify it as exclusive. From Miyagino's perspective, that might be advantageous, but may not be from the Kyokai's perspective. I didn't mean to imply that the scheme should be considered or would necessarily be beneficial; mentally I was approaching it more from the perspective of both formal ethics and job requirements - I didn't know whether a kabu-holder was permitted to have a formal role with amateur sumo clubs in that way. 

Thanks for the clarification.  Oyakata do outreach at clubs and universities all the time (and do a little politicking at the same time -- no problem there), but my guess is no way the NSK would allow a formal relationship like that.  Besides, the commute from, say, Tottori to the Kokugikan must be a monster.

[Tochinofuji 297]

6 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Thanks for the clarification.  Oyakata do outreach at clubs and universities all the time (and do a little politicking at the same time -- no problem there), but my guess is no way the NSK would allow a formal relationship like that.  Besides, the commute from, say, Tottori to the Kokugikan must be a monster.

That was my sense, but figured the more knowledgeable members here would know the actual deal. And I can't see the Kyokai being keen on the new-fangled "work from home" life. 

[specialweek 2 134]

Teru out.

[Godango 833]

37 minutes ago, specialweek 2 said:

Teru out.

Good to see, he needs it: https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/absence/

[Seiyashi 3,906]

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202209200000397.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nikkansports_ogp

Updates by Nikkan: According to Isegahama, surgery might be a possibility, and the right knee is "completely dislocated".

Asahi further supplements this with information that both knees are actually in bad shape.

 

Edited September 20, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Yarimotsu 380]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202209200000397.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nikkansports_ogp

Updates by Nikkan: According to Isegahama, surgery might be a possibility, and the right knee is "completely dislocated".

Asahi further supplements this with information that both knees are actually in bad shape.

Yep, I want to say that's nothing we didn't already know from taking one look at the guy. I suppose the question now becomes how long we have a shadow yokozuna technically on top of the banzuke, threatening to come back and win one or two more.... 

[Seiyashi 3,906]

59 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

I suppose the question now becomes how long we have a shadow yokozuna technically on top of the banzuke, threatening to come back and win one or two more.... 

Maybe Miyagino will call up and offer some advice on that. 

[Hankegami 380]

3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202209200000397.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nikkansports_ogp

Updates by Nikkan: According to Isegahama, surgery might be a possibility, and the right knee is "completely dislocated".

Asahi further supplements this with information that both knees are actually in bad shape.

 

That looks serious. Surgery for his right knee, and the left also in a bad shape. I guess this means he will (finally) completely sit out for one basho (Kyushu). More than that, I wonder whether his stubbornness about going on fighting could be related to his self-awareness surrounding the seriousness of his problem. Perhaps Terunofuji knew he was going to pull out for a long time anyway, so he tried to clutch a last yusho (11-4 still possible before yesterday) before sitting out for an indefinite amount of time.

Most important, his knees are not improving for sure. We have to ask ourselves whether Teru will be ever able to come back in shape. I totally root for him, but I also fear for a Kisenosato ending.

[Seiyashi 3,906]

I mean, as Yarimotsu said, it's apparent to all what state his knees are in, considering he's probably the rikishi we know the most about medically. To drag over a point that Kintamayama raised on the main basho discussion thread, most people start turning in crummy results then go cook up an excuse, but Terunofuji pretty much always has an excuse ready and I highly doubt anyone will fault him for it. More likely it's that he knows very well he has that excuse, but in a similar vein to wanting to overdo his ōzeki promotion numbers to give Isegahama an ironclad case, he doesn't want to be seen to be using his "get out of basho free" card too often. That however implies that his knees are in an absolutely terrible state where even he in his pigheadedness can see that mounting the dohyō is not good, and I hope he gets it knocked into his head by Isegahama to take another basho off as well.

I would say it might be 50-50 that May was his las yūshō, but I also hope this surgery and rest might give him just enough for a couple more hurrahs to match Harumafuji for old times' sake.

There's some irony to comparing him to Kisenosato considering how their paths intersected, but I'd say this isn't a Kisenosato case. Terunofuji's is a career that isn't quite what it could have been due to injury, but he's definitely squeezed a hell lot more out of his post-injury career than Kisenosato ever could, and it's not like we were expecting him to be a nice new yokozuna for a very long time anyway (unlike with Kisenosato).

Edited September 20, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Godango 833]

8 minutes ago, Hankegami said:

Perhaps Terunofuji knew he was going to pull out for a long time anyway, so he tried to clutch a last yusho (11-4 still possible before yesterday) before sitting out for an indefinite amount of time.

Most important, his knees are not improving for sure. We have to ask ourselves whether Teru will be ever able to come back in shape. I totally root for him, but I also fear for a Kisenosato ending.

I've similary been wondering for the last few days if he isn't just hoping to win one more and retire on that note, on his own terms. 

When you think about his stated goal of 10 yusho by the end of this calendar year, it's easy to conceive that he planned on intai in 2023 and wanted to get everything he could out of his body before then.

I guess we'll see, I hope I'm wrong.

[Yubinhaad 11,025]

Two in, two out among the lower divisions ahead of Day 11.

Returning/Entering:

Sd46w Saidaiji (fusenpai Day 2, withdrew Day 3)

Jk16e Wakakaneko - suffered a leg injury in his final bout of the Haru basho, absent since then.

Withdrawing:

Ms38w Mishima - right leg was twisted a bit when he fell in his last bout, although he walked away fine at the time so maybe something else.

Jk18w Higohikari - had to be helped away after a brutally hard fall off the dohyo in his last bout, which was his fourth in as many days after a four-day break. Sometimes such wonky schedules happen down in Jonokuchi.

[Akinomaki 37,402]

The medical certificate for Terunofuji says, osteoarthritis of both knees and bone bruise of the right knee, 3 weeks of rest treatment expected necessary. 両変形性膝関節症　右膝骨挫傷で3週間の安静加療を要する見込み http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2022/09/20/kiji/20220920s00005000191000c.html

[Yamanashi 3,343]

1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said:

Ms38w Mishima

He was promoted to Ms38 from upper Sandanme after a 6-1 in May -- he's probably wrestling way out of his league, as the 1-4 record shows.  That can lead to some unfortunate situations.

[Yubinhaad 11,025]

One returnee and one withdrawal ahead of the final round of lower division action.

Returning:

Sd31w Wakakinsho (withdrew Day 3)

Withdrawing:

Jk16e Wakakaneko

Wakakaneko entered the basho on Day 11, the bout he fought that day ensuring he stays on the next banzuke. It's a bit unusual to do that before the last round of torikumi, but maybe the idea was to fight a basho-weary opponent and avoid a potential returnee of higher calibre in the last round (not that anyone else has entered, but they wouldn't have known that).

 

The following rikishi did not make an appearance and those that don't retire will drop off the banzuke:

Jk4e Yamada
Jk8e Teraosho
Jk11w Tairikuyama (intai)
Jk12e Chikunokura
Jk14w Shokeima
Jk15e Sawanofuji
Jk15w Hokuozan

[Akinomaki 37,402]

Shimpan kyujo: Futagoyama has a Corona case in the family and is kyujo today and tomorrow as being in close contact. He has no symptoms (no test result yet) and the rikishi were not in close contact, so they can continue at the basho. https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202209240000589.html

Edited September 24, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Yubinhaad 11,025]

7 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Shimpan kyujo: Futagoyama has a Corona case in the family and is kyujo today and tomorrow as being in close contact. He has no symptoms (no test result yet) and the rikishi were not in close contact, so they can continue at the basho. https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202209240000589.html

Matsuchiyama-oyakata (former Maegashira Bushuyama) stood in for him, and will do so again on the final day.