Kyushu 2022 discussion (results)

[Benevolance 2,300]

I think the real trick for Shodai is figuring out how to win this basho whilst simultaneously remaining kadoban next tournament for his yokozuna run. 

[Gurowake 3,514]

4 hours ago, Benevolance said:

I think the real trick for Shodai is figuring out how to win this basho whilst simultaneously remaining kadoban next tournament for his yokozuna run. 

It's possible, but he'd need a lot of help from everyone else in the division.

[Jakusotsu 4,965]

Akua 4-0. Seems like there's a first time for anything.

[Koorifuu 497]

 

12 hours ago, Benevolance said:

I think the real trick for Shodai is figuring out how to win this basho whilst simultaneously remaining kadoban next tournament for his yokozuna run. 

It seems pretty easy to me. Win all the way through to day 9, whilst assuring nobody has 7 wins or more by then. Then find a way for the basho to be abandoned.

[Koorifuu 497]

Turn the Tide's going to be tricky than usual for a Day 5, with all those "both 2-2"s.

[Suwihuto 103]

Quite enjoyed today, felt like everyone had woken up a bit.

[Bakayokozuna 39]

14 guys in the lead after day4. Could be a fun basho

[Yamanashi 3,039]

7 hours ago, Bakayokozuna said:

14 guys in the lead after day4. Could be a fun basho

And only two 4-0's in Juryo.  Will this be an almost impossible "reversal of type" basho where the Juryo yusho is won in a battle of Titans match, while the Makuuchi title goes to the guy who falls down last?

[Seiyashi 3,501]

Fair play to both Mitakeumi and Tobizaru, that was a very good bout. Mitakeumi needed it more than Tobizaru, but Tobizaru gave no quarter and came damn close.

Tobizaru really is staking his claim on a sanyaku/joi slot, isn't he?

Also, Hōshōryū's kawazugake. Even after watching the slow motion I still don't know what happened.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Kaninoyama 1,336]

Abi is in a nice position at 4-1 and fighting below his pay grade. Takayasu also looks determined this basho. 

[since_94 638]

Chiyonokuni. That tachiaii. And the shoves that followed. Holy @&$!. Talk about resounding. A highlight of the basho so far, (but I’m sure I’m forgetting some bouts)

[Hakuryuho 277]

Hoshoryu seems to always try to win in the coolest way possible instead of just going for the straight-forward method, rather neat 

[Jakusotsu 4,965]

3 hours ago, Hakuryuho said:

Hoshoryu seems to always try to win in the coolest way possible instead of just going for the straight-forward method, rather neat 

Yeah, right. It totally wasn't Midorifuji's attack that backfired horribly.

[Rocks 1,750]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Also, Hōshōryū's kawazugake. Even after watching the slow motion I still don't know what happened.

If you are lifting a guy to throw him to the ground it's a good idea not to be underneath him. 

[RabidJohn 1,245]

22 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Yeah, right. It totally wasn't Midorifuji's attack that backfired horribly.

Maybe. I'm undecided.
If Hoshoryu merely got lucky with the way things fell (literally), you are right. 
On the other hand, if Hoshoryu reacted to the kirikaeshi attempt to come out on top, it was a stunning move.
Even after watching it a few times, I just can't tell...

One of the reasons I'm not a huge Hoshoryu fan is because he has too many close calls.

Edited November 17, 2022 by RabidJohn

[Seiyashi 3,501]

42 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

If Hoshoryu merely got lucky with the way things fell (literally), you are right. 
On the other hand, if Hoshoryu reacted to the kirikaeshi attempt to come out on top, it was a stunning move.

Only because Hōshōryū is the best leg specialist in the top division, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Had it been anyone else I'd have agreed the move and the win would have been a fluke.

Close calls or not, 4-1 to equal his performance last basho. If he can avoid dropping four in a row from here out, he might be starting his own ōzeki run too.

[Tochinofuji 243]

1 hour ago, RabidJohn said:

Maybe. I'm undecided.
If Hoshoryu merely got lucky with the way things fell (literally), you are right. 
On the other hand, if Hoshoryu reacted to the kirikaeshi attempt to come out on top, it was a stunning move.
Even after watching it a few times, I just can't tell...

One of the reasons I'm not a huge Hoshoryu fan is because he has too many close calls.

I think it was a fairly clear counter. Houshouryuu quite clearly wraps the shoelaces, as they're sometimes referred to in grappling (the dorsal surface of the foot where the shoelaces would be if you were wearing shoes), around the back of Midorifuji's calf to allow him to lift Midorifuji's leg high enough to come out on top. Classic Russian leg sweep in pro wrestling terminology, with a hard slam to the dirt. I thought initially a monoii might have been warranted, but in slow-mo it seems obvious the right call was made.

I'm a much bigger fan of Midorifuji than Houshouryu, but that was stellar. 

[Yamanashi 3,039]

5 hours ago, since_94 said:

Chiyonokuni. That tachiaii. And the shoves that followed. Holy @&$!. Talk about resounding. A highlight of the basho so far, (but I’m sure I’m forgetting some bouts)

Thanks for pointing it out, I watched it on the Sumo Channel.  Wow! As they say, "Dude must owe him money."

[rhyen 1,612]

11 hours ago, since_94 said:

Chiyonokuni. That tachiaii. And the shoves that followed. Holy @&$!. Talk about resounding. A highlight of the basho so far, (but I’m sure I’m forgetting some bouts)

 

[Kaninoyama 1,336]

8 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Only because Hōshōryū is the best leg specialist in the top division, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Had it been anyone else I'd have agreed the move and the win would have been a fluke.

Close calls or not, 4-1 to equal his performance last basho. If he can avoid dropping four in a row from here out, he might be starting his own ōzeki run too.

For what it's worth Kitanofuji was impressed, repeatedly praising his "ashi-koshi" (lower-body strength) for being able to thwart Midorifuji's throw from that position. 

[Koorifuu 497]

Setonoumi is legit. I'm not sure what kind of results he was getting in junior high, but he's mighty impressive for his age. He'd already caught my eye two months ago, but it only gets better. I guess his long kyujo one year ago helped him fly off the radar.

[Gurowake 3,514]

58 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Setonoumi is legit. I'm not sure what kind of results he was getting in junior high, but he's mighty impressive for his age. He'd already caught my eye two months ago, but it only gets better. I guess his long kyujo one year ago helped him fly off the radar.

He had absolutely no fanfare in the new recruit thread until the mae-zumo bouts happened, where apparently looked really good in his two bouts.  No one had anything to say about his background, like how many years he'd been training in whatever sports.  He seemed like he was just filler until he showed up on the dohyo.  Considering that he sat (most of) 3 tournaments out, he has to have had the best start in a long time from someone that had no hopes placed on him.  He's definitely got my attention.

Some googling for his full name in kanji returned the following bracket.  He's the furthest one down on the right.  He got a first round bye, but I don't know if he was seeded or if they were random.  He won 2 matches before being eliminated in what I think is the quarterfinals, though he lost to the eventual winner, whose name was in katakana - Sosorufuu? - which has no apparent hits on Google.  I have no idea what event it was for, though the name of the file has "sumo" in it, so it's probably a sumo event.  The kanji in the middle are for a junior high in Tottori, which is sorta close (though not very) to Hiroshima where Setonoumi is from.  I'll note that the bracket gives Hiroshima as his home, but with a different district within Hiroshima than the database (you'll have to go to page 2 to see it).

Edited November 18, 2022 by Gurowake

[Katooshu 2,443]

Given the timing and the result, it looks like it may have been the national middle school tournament which comes before the event crowning middle school yokozuna. I forget the exact names, but those are the two biggest tournaments in middle school sumo. Sosoufuu won the first one, then came 3rd at the event crowning the middle school yok, then won the Hakuho Cup, and has been a big star in middle school and high school sumo - ending his career at both levels very arguably as #1 in Japan. In other words, Setonoumi couldn't have lost to a better opponent.

Setonoumi and Tanji are both doing extremely well for their ages. Yoshi was the first 16-year-old to make makushita since 1989 I believe, and Tanji looks like he might get there even faster - now 3-0 at Sd32

Edited November 18, 2022 by Katooshu

[Morty 1,409]

Most days when I watch the sumo I can get invested in the bouts because I like the rikishi, or there is a compelling storyline happening or similar, but there is usually also one "who cares" bout where I'm not really interested in either rikishi or the outcome of their match. Today that was Azamryu/Okinoumi, but by the end I was completely invested. Great sumo, great bout.

Also, beautiful kotenage by Mitoryu.

[Kotononami 76]

No way I can understand the monoï decision on the Nishikigi-Takarafuji bout.

If someone knows , please tell me...