Kyushu 2022 discussion (results)

[Orudo Toriitorunku 12]

Henka is to Sumo what Offside is to football; a necessity that most find annoying, but without which the sport would not be the same.
If it was illegal to sidestep the initial attack, there would be no smaller sumo wrestlers at all. Everyone would have to specialize in Takakeisho style Sumo. Sumo would become a sport where wrestlers built like tanks tried to run each other over. Not fun at all.

[Wakawakawaka 136]

21 minutes ago, Orudo Toriitorunku said:

Sumo would become a sport where wrestlers built like tanks tried to run each other over.

You're a funny guy 

Ironically IIRC the only time Midorifuji tried to henka this basho he got gloriously intercepted by the ground to air missile that is Takakeisho's gator arm attack. Otherwise he mostly went straight on and got the job done.

[Takaguntha 16]

Without being aware of a possible henka they would regulary clash head on head even harder at tachiai. So a henka here and then may save some brain... 

In a three-way-playoff it makes escpecially  sense to save power. But, sure, henka ist not what we want to see in a Playoff. 

[Gospodin 185]

Can´t we have a generic henka collection thread where every discussion about it would be moved ?

Edited November 28, 2022 by Gospodin

[Wakawakawaka 136]

^ I second that notion as long as it includes video archive of all the henkas. That would be quite entertaining. 

[Katooshu 3,082]

Henka? What henka!? 

[Jakusotsu 5,743]

If only henka was finally included as official kimarite to make it queriable...

Edited November 28, 2022 by Jakusotsu

[Sumo Spiffy 522]

Oh lordy, if someone put together a collection of enough good henkas, I would 100% make a special "Henka-Yeets" video.

[Koorifuu 860]

1 hour ago, Wakawakawaka said:

 

Ironically IIRC the only time Midorifuji tried to henka this basho he got gloriously intercepted by the ground to air missile that is Takakeisho's gator arm attack. Otherwise he mostly went straight on and got the job done.

Sure, but if they knew he HAD to charge them headfirst, they'd all bulldoze him on the spot. Keeping'em guessing is the trick.  

[Wakawakawaka 136]

12 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Sure, but if they knew he HAD to charge them headfirst, they'd all bulldoze him on the spot. Keeping'em guessing is the trick.  

Maybe we can reach a compromise. Is it possible to go in straight-forward so low that your opponent flies over the top of you? 

[Sumo Spiffy 522]

32 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Maybe we can reach a compromise. Is it possible to go in straight-forward so low that your opponent flies over the top of you? 

Yokozuna #75: 

[Jakusotsu 5,743]

 

19 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Yokozuna #75: 

You want a Yokozuna even Chuck Norris is afraid of? Here you are:

Spoiler

 

[Barutokai 62]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

 

You want a Yokozuna even Chuck Norris is afraid of? Here you are:

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Would be called like this on the dohyo. Put him in Jakusotsus heya.

 

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横綱 猪ノ獅司、 ガリア、 小さな村出身、 北極部屋
Yokozuna Inoshishi, Garia, Chiisanamura-shusshin, Hokkyoku-beya

Inoshishi itself meaning wild boar. Shikona means lion of wild boar. Lion-kanjis from Shishi, wild-boar-kanji can be read as inoshishi or simple as i in a Name-Kanji.

Is from Gaul, small village, North-Pole Heya.

 

[maglor 122]

On 25/11/2022 at 09:50, maglor said:

Takakeisho is definitely a better rikishi than Mitakeumi, and maybe that is due to better dedication in training or better overall mental state, etc.

But if Takakeisho leads in all those stats you've listed above, and yet Mitakeumi still has more yusho, that indicates to me that Takakeisho struggles to finishing things off in the last few days of a tournament. Two playoff loses, a loss to Shodai on Day 14 that cost him a yusho, dropping two straight while in contention the basho Tokushoryu won.

Mitakeumi might have plenty of Day 8-12 slides, but when he's in a position to win the yusho going into the last few days he finishes it off. So in at least one way, he's pretty mentally tough when the pressure is at its highest, which is something Takayasu(who also has much more Y+JY than Mitakeumi), doubtless wishes he has

No clutch gene Takakeisho strikes again 

Takakeisho Yusho: 2, Jun-Yusho: 8

Mitakeumi Yusho: 3, Jun-Yusho: 0

[Benihana 1,900]

Come on, shake your body baby, do the henka
I know you can′t control yourself any longer

Edited November 28, 2022 by Benihana

[nelimw 80]

9 hours ago, Orudo Toriitorunku said:

Henka is to Sumo what Offside is to football;

Not to nitpick but this doesnt seem like a good comparison. An offside is an offense, one that can take away a goal. A henka is not an offense and can lead to a win. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by nelimw

[Seiyashi 4,068]

Since we apparently forgot entirely about the jūryō yūshō in the excitement of the makuuchi one: Daiamami managed to beat Ōshōma in regulation to leave both of them on 11-4, but none of the other chasers (Tsurugishō, Akua, Hokuseihō) could win to join them. Ōshōma beat Daiamami in the resulting playoff to take the jūryō yūshō.

Putting this up here as the DB has yet to be updated, the NSK Twitter hasn't covered it either, and I only found out by having to go to Natto's replays.

[Kaninoyama 1,660]

19 hours ago, dingo said:

I do wonder what would be Abi's takeaway from the henka. Is it a) oh no my opponent got injured and I won't do it again or b) hmm, I got a crucial win and threw off my next opponent which helped me to get the yusho. Different approaches for different people. 

Generally speaking, henkas don't lead to injuries any more than proper tachiai do. It was just a freak accident. It could have equally been Abi KO'd from Takayasu's brutal kachiage if he had chosen to go straight forward instead. 

[Jakusotsu 5,743]

15 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Ōshōma beat Daiamami in the resulting playoff to take the jūryō yūshō.

I fully blame abema's camera direction failing to show Daiamommy.

[Yarimotsu 515]

19 hours ago, Orudo Toriitorunku said:

Henka is to Sumo what Offside is to football; a necessity that most find annoying, but without which the sport would not be the same.
If it was illegal to sidestep the initial attack, there would be no smaller sumo wrestlers at all. Everyone would have to specialize in Takakeisho style Sumo. Sumo would become a sport where wrestlers built like tanks tried to run each other over. Not fun at all.

 

9 hours ago, nelimw said:

Not to nitpick but this doesnt seem like a good comparison. An offside is an offense, one that can take away a goal. A henka is not an offense and can lead to a win. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. 

As a long time field hockey player I'd also contend that offside is not really a necessity for soccer to produce good and entertaining matches - hockey did away with it decades ago and kept the change. Offside severely limits options for chance creation, while henka allows for different vectors of attack: banning henka would be much more like implementing offside than doing away with it.

[Koorifuu 860]

So I went and showed the Takayasu video to an actual healthcare professional who studied these things for years.

The verdict was that it 'obviously' was a neck sprain.

"Think of it as leg cramps, but on the neck muscles, and a thousand times more painful."

Yikes.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Koorifuu

[Gurowake 3,875]

14 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

As a long time field hockey player I'd also contend that offside is not really a necessity for soccer to produce good and entertaining matches

I think association football fans prefer their games be low-scoring.  If there are 10 goals every game, each one isn't as sweet.  I definitely remember the only goal I scored in high school on the varsity team where I played defender, but I was one of the main attackers on the JV team and I have no idea how many goals I scored (I assume some?).  I would definitely be in favor of getting rid of offside though.  I also remember one game I was a linesman for, I saw a ball played that might have been offside, and it was my job to flag if it was or not.  I have no clue if it was offside or not, because it was really close.  But I remember the main referee look over to me as the ball was played, and I had to make a snap decision and I sorta feel bad for flagging it even though it wasn't clear.  Now that they apparently have computerized review it's probably a bit more fair, but it's still silly seeing the results that this one guy's arm was 2 inches closer to the goal than the defender.

[Octofuji 316]

Sounds just like a gyoji

[gunner 10]

Henka is legal its effective against rikishi who over extend themselves at the tachiai. Truley strong Players are not fooled very often by it and should guard against it. especially when the basho is on the line and your facing a slapper pusher like Abi. I was rooting for Taka but He really got suckered by Abi.

[Seiyashi 4,068]

1 hour ago, Octofuji said:

Sounds just like a gyoji

And now they even have a way to call a linesman sashichigae.