Kyushu 2022 discussion (results)

[Eikokurai 3,437]

So, Hoshoryu and Oho both fade and fall out of yusho contention entirely. Takayasu surely has to make it over the line now …

Worth pointing out that Takakeisho has managed 10+ wins three basho in a row now, almost unnoticed due to other circumstances. That’s a very solid Ozeki record even accounting for the weaker competition. It’s his most consistent run of three since he got the rank. A win tomorrow will make it 33/45, same as Ozeki promotion level.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Eikokurai

[Jakusotsu 6,396]

I for one am quite glad that the nephew was put in his place.

[Jakusotsu 6,396]

52 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Wakatakakage gets the most wins of the year award alone for himself by his win, and the other two lost to make it a more decisive one.

Ryuden had two wins more, but I guess that doesn't count.

[Akinomaki 41,839]

14 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Ryuden had two wins more, but I guess that doesn't count.

As pointed out earlier, this is the makuuchi award

[Seiyashi 4,109]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

At least one sansho for Takayasu, two for sure if he wins. Abi and Hoshoryu (ginousho) should get the others

Some on condition of win, e.g. for Oho I guess

 

Official or rumoured? 

[Uranamazu 1]

Hi. I am new here :)

 

Can You tell me what will happend when: Takayasu lost

Abi win

Takakeisho win

 

? 

[Akinomaki 41,839]

18 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Official or rumoured? 

Neither, my prediction

[Akinomaki 41,839]

A slight insult to Shodai, he's not worthy to meet Takakeisho in the final bout, Wakatakakage is an even more easy opponent now, kachikoshi and no double digits possible

[Rocks 1,810]

5 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

A slight insult to Shodai, he's not worthy to meet Takakeisho in the final bout, Wakatakakage is an even more easy opponent now, kachikoshi and no double digits possible

Interesting. No one would have questioned and the Ozeki matchup. Why skip it? Waka has beat Taka the last 4 times they've met. Are they trying to avoid a 3 way playoff?

[Seiyashi 4,109]

1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

So, Hoshoryu and Oho both fade and fall out of yusho contention entirely. Takayasu surely has to make it over the line now …

Worth pointing out that Takakeisho has managed 10+ wins three basho in a row though, almost unnoticed due to other circumstances. That’s a very solid Ozeki record even accounting for the weaker competition. It’s his most consistent run of three since he got the rank. A win tomorrow will make it 33/45, same as Ozeki promotion level.

He's hit 33/3 twice before albeit with a bummer basho somewhere in that run, so being able to do it once again with all DD KKs puts him on par with Barutō (who had 5 DD in a row but only ever that streak of 33/3), Tochiazuma, and a bunch of other reasonably strong ōzeki. Really no doubt that he's holding up the top end of the banzuke in Terunofuji's absence, especially when his two erstwhile colleagues have failed so spectacularly. 

[Thorbjarn 215]

I honestly think the fairest solution would have been to give Abi another high quality bout against Takakeisho instead of having the joi-Maegashira who went through the top of the banzuke once again getting the toughest probable match up, but there is definitely bias there I'll admit. The powers that be probably know this is the best shot at a 3-Way-Dance...

[Jakusotsu 6,396]

Takarafuji (2-12) vs. Kagayaki (9-5)?

Kanpai!

[Godango 1,092]

59 minutes ago, Uranamazu said:

Hi. I am new here :)

 

Can You tell me what will happend when: Takayasu lost

Abi win

Takakeisho win

 

? 

Hello and welcome. 

In this situation, all three rikishi would finish the tournament proper with 12 wins, which would mean a playoff for the yusho. 

The three remaining rikishi would pair off for bouts (the first pair decided by drawing lots) with the winner staying on. The first rikishi to win two bouts in a row wins the cup.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

1 minute ago, Godango said:

Hello and welcome. 

In this situation, all three rikishi would finish the tournament proper with 12 wins, which would mean a playoff for the yusho. 

The three remaining rikishi would pair off for bouts (the first pair decided by drawing lots) with the winner staying on. The first rikishi to win two bouts in a row wins the cup.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Nope you're right. 

15 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Takarafuji (2-12) vs. Kagayaki (9-5)?

Kanpai!

Balls, I should have just gone for the zenpai in GKA, right? 

[Hakuryuho 335]

Why is nobody talking about Hiradoumi, who is currently 10-4 in only his second ever Makunouchi basho!

He was very lucky to remain in the top division after his 7-8 score on the lowest rung, but he proved the decision-makers, who generously kept him in makunouchi, right.
Great tournament from him!
 

One of the most ferocious fighters, love him!

[Octofuji 431]

5 minutes ago, Hakuryuho said:

Why is nobody talking about Hiradoumi, who is currently 10-4 in only his second ever Makunouchi basho!

He's great to watch, hopefully he'll get a special prize

[Octofuji 431]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

A slight insult to Shodai, he's not worthy to meet Takakeisho in the final bout, Wakatakakage is an even more easy opponent now, kachikoshi and no double digits possible

Nine wins would make his Ozeki bid much more feasible next time, no?

[Eikokurai 3,437]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

He's hit 33/3 twice before albeit with a bummer basho somewhere in that run, so being able to do it once again with all DD KKs puts him on par with Barutō (who had 5 DD in a row but only ever that streak of 33/3), Tochiazuma, and a bunch of other reasonably strong ōzeki. Really no doubt that he's holding up the top end of the banzuke in Terunofuji's absence, especially when his two erstwhile colleagues have failed so spectacularly. 

I only see one 33/45 since his Ozeki promotion and that included a 8-win kyujo tournament (followed by a 12+13). He had a 32/45 beginning with his Ozekiwake basho though.

[Akinomaki 41,839]

2 hours ago, Octofuji said:

Nine wins would make his Ozeki bid much more feasible next time, no?

He'd need a yusho anyway next basho to get promoted, it just would make it a bit more feasible bid

[Koorifuu 1,120]

23 hours ago, lackmaker said:

It makes it sound like Shodai and Mitakeumi are failures. Not true given the heights they've reached. Bullying is just as likely to have robbed sumo of as many successes as it's created. Either way it's not acceptable.

Apologies, I've only seen this now.

My point was the exact opposite, actually - they are very successful and definitely not failures. But they're definitely the kind of men who would have had nowhere as much success if given another level of psychological hardships to navigate on their way up.

[Octofuji 431]

13 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

He'd need a yusho anyway next basho to get promoted, it just would make it a bit more feasible bid

Unless they treat an 11-9-12 non-yusho the same way as Goeido's 12-8-12.

[Benevolance 2,534]

Ugh. I clearly jinxed Takayasu. It's going to be very difficult for him to get the junyusho now.   

[yorikiried by fate 2,038]

I'm all for Takayasu. No Ozeki should stay yusho-less.

[Gurowake 4,152]

8 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

A slight insult to Shodai, he's not worthy to meet Takakeisho in the final bout, Wakatakakage is an even more easy opponent now, kachikoshi and no double digits possible

I'd say Wakatakakage has a bit more to fight for.  Shodai has absolutely nothing to fight for but, but Wakatakakage can at least get a win closer to Ozeki.  While he'd still need a very good score in January, the 9th win could count for something if it's borderline next time.

Other sanyaku Takakeisho could have faced with anything to fight for would be Mitakeumi or Tamawashi, but they clearly are just not doing those kind of matches these days.  Wakatakakage I think was the clear choice given what they've been doing recently.

[mugatake 59]

4 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

My point was the exact opposite, actually - they are very successful and definitely not failures. But they're definitely the kind of men who would have had nowhere as much success if given another level of psychological hardships to navigate on their way up.

And wouldn't that be a shame?