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No one thinks the fact there haven't been only 2 combined yokozuna-ōzeki for 125 years is reason for the NSK to at least have the discussion?

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It probably is some level of mental resilience that's lacking in ex-collegiate rikishi, but I don't believe the apparent reduction in bullying has anything to do with it.

Back in the bad old days when hazing wasn't even hidden, ex-collegiate rikishi were noted for having a lower ceiling than kids who came up through maezumo, as evidenced by only one ever making it to yokozuna.

Five or six years ago, I believed Mitakeumi might become the second, whereas old hands like Kintamayama doubted he'd make ozeki. He proved us all wrong, but I now believe I was more wrong.

 

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1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

No one thinks the fact there have been only 2 combined yokozuna-ōzeki in 125 years is reason for the NSK to at least have the discussion?

Well, since Shodai was not technically out until he lost last night, which was the second to last match, there wasn't a lot of time to do it.
I'm sure you will hear it tonight and in leadup to January. Especially with the decent chance Terunofuji will be out again in January I'm sure you will hear a lot of Ozeki specultion.

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19 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

No one thinks the fact there haven't been only 2 combined yokozuna-ōzeki for 125 years is reason for the NSK to at least have the discussion?

I think the discussion will be about January (which might lead them to bump Takayasu to Sekiwake with sufficiently good results, on the off-chance they'd even consider M4-M1-S for a run). The 2 Y/O are locked in at least through March.

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4 hours ago, Barutokai said:

I'd like to see that. :-D

Timestamped already, but if in case it doesn't work, head over to ~ 1h1m. :-D

I'm really happy for Asashiyu/Murata. His heavily bandaged knees don't bode well, but this yusho is a good start to his 3rd attempt at a career.

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Speaking of poor attitude... I started a Setonoumi appreciation mini-chain a few days ago, but I'm not entirely sure he'll stay controversy-free. Unapologetic after shoving people on mattas, punching the floor after a narrow loss, etc. Although he was hard but fair on yesterday's pummelling of poor Akiseyama (who happens to be over twice his age), it gave me some Ikioi/Kotokanyu vibes.

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I don’t know if this was mentioned but looking at the guys on the leaderboards, we are now guaranteed to have six different yusho winners in a calendar year since 1991. We also could have a third first time winner this year joining Wakatakakage and Ichinojo

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It sucks to be hyped while not having time to watch live on the weekend. I fully buy into Takakeisho. Takayasu will probably slip against Kagayaki, definitely against Abi who I expect to be the Senshuraku matchup. My heart is meant to be broken. 

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2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

No one thinks the fact there haven't been only 2 combined yokozuna-ōzeki for 125 years is reason for the NSK to at least have the discussion?

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=199301&heya=-1&shusshin=-1

Unless you mean specifically a yokozuna and an ozeki, rather than two total (ie. two ozeki and no yokozuna). There are also examples from back in the day where there would have only been two ozeki, but they added someone else with those HD ranks.

I think they may have reasons to discuss moving Takayasu to sekiwake on 13-2, but they're more related to Terunofuji's questionable health, the lack of other options, and the current tendency of the sanyaku to stay locked up at the top—that is, if they're not prepared to give him an extra sekiwake slot if he gets ten wins at komusubi, they may just make him sekiwake to smooth the path. Since the sport has moved away from bumping people up for reasons and towards really making them earn rank, I think they'd be fine with just a yokozuna and an ozeki for a little bit if both were healthy and likely to be around for a while longer, and at most they might be more likely to promote him on 32 or even 31 wins if he went M4 -> M1 -> K -> S (since that would also be 42 or 43 in four).

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Note that they saw no need to promote Takanohana after a 8-14-10(32 wins) after Kyushu 1992, despite there only being two Ozeki on the banzuke.

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Could it happen they put Terunofuji on Y-West? And Takakeisho on O-East?

( Thanks again Koorifuu , wonder if I didn't search PROPERLY... was looking for Jonidan etc.)

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13 minutes ago, Barutokai said:

Could it happen they put Terunofuji on Y-West? And Takakeisho on O-East?

I admit that it's more likely than the sun rising in the west.  But not much more.

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9 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

That's a fair way to put it. 

So which would you rather have: a rikishi who knows when to be bothered to get hot and stay hot, or someone who just has at it all the way even if he occasionally stumbles?

Do you think Takakeisho would prefer to have his career to this point, or Mitakeumi's? 

I'm guessing the latter. 

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5 hours ago, Thorbjarn said:

It sucks to be hyped while not having time to watch live on the weekend. I fully buy into Takakeisho. Takayasu will probably slip against Kagayaki, definitely against Abi who I expect to be the Senshuraku matchup. My heart is meant to be broken. 

Sorry to inform you, but researchers in the Reverse Psychology Department at Yamanashi College of Sociable Sciences has determined there is a less than 0.05% chance that Takayasu will win the Yusho.

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Also one thing to consider is that Takakeisho is around 4 years younger than Mitakeumi.

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11 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

No one thinks the fact there haven't been only 2 combined yokozuna-ōzeki for 125 years is reason for the NSK to at least have the discussion?

Not enough to lower the standards too much. Plus who would want to be known as the discount ozeki? 

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18 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

I always enjoy her antics and hope Daiamami will win two more! (Signofapproval...)

She's magic! Now watch him take the yusho!

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Wakatakakage gets the most wins of the year award alone for himself by his win, and the other two lost to make it a more decisive one.

Tomorrow we'll get Abi vs. Takayasu, Takayasu at least a ketteisen

Tomoesen maybe

 

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At least one sansho for Takayasu, two for sure if he wins. Abi and Hoshoryu (ginousho) should get the others

Some on condition of win, e.g. for Oho I guess

 

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Without another yusho contender, they safely can give Takakeisho the proper ozeki bout to finish the basho. Arguably an easy opponent, but Shodai even after makekoshi and sure demotion is dangerous.

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8 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Without another yusho contender, they safely can give Takakeisho the proper ozeki bout to finish the basho. Arguably an easy opponent, but Shodai even after makekoshi and sure demotion is dangerous.

Only to Mitakeumi...

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20 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Fukuoka is the venue closest to his shusshin, so she might be family. His Mom perhaps?

A less charitable suggestion:

"Hey Daiamami, that crazy ex of yours got past security again. Whatever you do don't make eye contact."

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Did Mitakeumi think he had won and walk back to his side of the dohyo? How do you go to half a push to put a guy out to going out the other side of the dohyo that quickly? To Shodai of all people?

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