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Terunofuji    Y    ---
Takakeisho    O    Shodai
---           O    Mitakeumi
Wakatakakage  S    Hoshoryu
Daieisho      S    ---
Abi           K    Ichinojo
---           K    Kiribayama

Tobizaru      M1   Midorifuji
Kotonowaka    M2   Meisei
Tamawashi     M3   Ura
Nishikigi     M4   Takayasu
Takarafuji    M5   Sadanoumi
Wakamotoharu  M6   Endo
Aoiyama       M7   Onosho
Tochinoshin   M8   Hokutofuji
Myogiryu      M9   Kotoeko
Nishikifuji   M10  Takanosho
Kotoshoho     M11  Chiyotairyu
Okinoumi      M12  Ryuden
Ichiyamamoto  M13  Oho
Chiyoshoma    M14  Yutakayama
Terutsuyoshi  M15  Tsurugisho
Mitoryu       M16  Hiradoumi
 

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Juryo

Shimanoumi    J1   Chiyomaru
Chiyonokuni   J2   Azumaryu
Atamifuji     J3   Tohakuryu
Kagayaki      J4   Bushozan
Hidenoumi     J5   Asanowaka
Akua          J6   Churanoumi
Kotokuzan     J7   Enho
Daiamami      J8   Daishoho
Hokuseiho     J9   Kaisho
Shimazuumi    J10  Tokushoryu
Chiyosakae    J11  Kitanowaka
Gonoyama      J12  Kinbozan
Oshoma        J13  Tochimaru
Tochimusashi  J14  Takakento
 

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Makushita-joi

Kaisei         Ms1   Roga
Tomokaze       Ms2   Yago
Yoshii         Ms3   Daishomaru
Tsushimanada   Ms4   Tsukahara
Fujiseiun      Ms5   Shonannoumi
Kamito         Ms6   Chiyonoumi
Shiden         Ms7   Tokihayate
Tochiseiryu    Ms8   Hakuyozan
Chiyonoo       Ms9   Tamashoho
Ishiura        Ms10  Oshoryu
Shishi         Ms11  Akiseyama
Suzuki         Ms12  Hokutenkai
Kainoshima     Ms13  Kotoyusho
Tsurubayashi   Ms14  Tochikamiyama
Asanoyama      Ms15  Chiyoarashi
 

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Makushita

 

Nishinoryu     Ms16  Ishizaki
Mukainakano    Ms17  Dewanoryu
Nionoumi       Ms18  Ichiki
Tanabe         Ms19  Kitaharima
Hikarifuji     Ms20  Tochikodai
Kanzaki        Ms21  Sasakiyama
Oki            Ms22  Kiryuko
Kitadaichi     Ms23  Kotoozutsu
Fujitoshi      Ms24  Daikisho
Ryuo           Ms25  Asagyokusei
Hayatefuji     Ms26  Kotohaguro
Chiyotora      Ms27  Mineyaiba
Yuma           Ms28  Otsuji
Kairyu         Ms29  Asakoki
Tochinobori    Ms30  Hamayutaka
Osanai         Ms31  Inoue
Kototsubasa    Ms32  Onojo
Hokutoshu      Ms33  Jokoryu
Arauma         Ms34  Shuji
Tokunomusashi  Ms35  Hoshuzan
Daiseiryu      Ms36  Nobehara
Hokaho         Ms37  Miyagi
Kirinofuji     Ms38  Mishima
Ryusei         Ms39  Kotodaigo
Kamitani       Ms40  Wakatakamoto
Fukai          Ms41  Oyamatoumi
Chiyooga       Ms42  Akinoyama
Yuki           Ms43  Narutaki
Hakuonada      Ms44  Okinofuji
Omoto          Ms45  Tomiyutaka
Shohoryu       Ms46  Asabenkei
Fujiazuma      Ms47  Nihonyanagi
Tosamidori     Ms48  Sadanohikari
Tokisoma       Ms49  Nabatame
Okinohama      Ms50  Suguro
Oginosho       Ms51  Awanokuni
Kaishin        Ms52  Akitoba
Tokinohira     Ms53  Yutakasho
Taiyo          Ms54  Shosei
Oginohama      Ms55  Hokutomaru
Asonoyama      Ms56  Setonoumi
Masuminato     Ms57  Rao
Daihisho       Ms58  Chiyonokatsu
Chiyoraizan    Ms59  Azumasho
Hatsuyama      Ms60  Fujinowaka


Sandanme

 

Dewanojo      Sd1   Kotodairyu
Haruminato    Sd2   Dewataikai
Wakenosato    Sd3   Hodaka
Wakazakura    Sd4   Asatenmai
Maikeru       Sd5   Hatooka
Akiyoshi      Sd6   Kaiseijo
Kotoryusei    Sd7   Kayo
Kotodaishin   Sd8   Hinataryu
Naya          Sd9   Raiho
Onokura       Sd10  Daiseizan
Tennozan      Sd11  Mochizuki
Daishoki      Sd12  Kototaiki
Wayama        Sd13  Kototebakari
Kotakiyama    Sd14  Itadaki
Kiyonoumi     Sd15  Sazanami
Aozora        Sd16  Hanafusa
Kaishinmaru   Sd17  Denuma
Kyoda         Sd18  Dainichido
Moji          Sd19  Obara
Mitozakura    Sd20  Nishikikuni
Kotonofuji    Sd21  Taiga
Goshimaru     Sd22  Mudoho
Genkaiho      Sd23  Suio
Hokutoiwa     Sd24  Kototakuya
Asahanshin    Sd25  Ienoshima
Kaigo         Sd26  Sakai
Takeoka       Sd27  Kinotsukasa
Keitenkai     Sd28  Taranami
Shinohara     Sd29  Tatsuki
Hamanoumi     Sd30  Kyokushori
Kumanoryu     Sd31  Wakakinsho
Ohata         Sd32  Murayama
Wakanosho     Sd33  Dairaido
Chiyotaiho    Sd34  Hidano
Tanakayama    Sd35  Kisenoumi
Seigo         Sd36  Kenyu
Tosashimizu   Sd37  Hogasho
Kawabuchi     Sd38  Toshoyama
Asanojo       Sd39  Sakabayashi
Shoketsu      Sd40  Teraoumi
Nagata        Sd41  Matsuda
Shoji         Sd42  Biganzan
Hitachigo     Sd43  Daishosei
Hakuomaru     Sd44  Ryutsukasa
Hokuyozan     Sd45  Mukaida
Asashinjo     Sd46  Saidaiji
Amane         Sd47  Ebisumaru
Ieshima       Sd48  Tokitora
Kotokenryu    Sd49  Fujiibuki
Oba           Sd50  Araoyama
Kotetsu       Sd51  Makio
Katsunofuji   Sd52  Hokutoryu
Ryuseiyama    Sd53  Baraki
Akatsuki      Sd54  Asakiryu
Kenshin       Sd55  Takabayama
Yoshiazuma    Sd56  Senho
Oka           Sd57  Mihamaumi
Shunrai       Sd58  Tokinosato
Harunishiki   Sd59  Chiyohokkai
Miyata        Sd60  Tsunekawa
Hitoshi       Sd61  Suzaki
Hokutosakae   Sd62  Kojikara
Tsugaruumi    Sd63  Honma
Tochigidake   Sd64  Yokomaru
Kaorufuji     Sd65  Daiyusho
Furanshisu    Sd66  Saionji
Kanryu        Sd67  Meiko
Tanji         Sd68  Yamenosato
Yurikisho     Sd69  Nishikinoryu
Chiyotenfu    Sd70  Komanokuni
Nishida       Sd71  Daishomune
Toukiryu      Sd72  Takashoki
Aoi           Sd73  Goseiryu
Kazekeno      Sd74  Marusho
Asahabataki   Sd75  Kawamura
Ginseizan     Sd76  Satsumasho
Kotonoshu     Sd77  Tokio
Oshoumi       Sd78  Aratakayama
Takakurayama  Sd79  Kitanomine
Sadanokuni    Sd80  Toseiryu
Inaba         Sd81  Sakurai
Kaizen        Sd82  Asanotosa
Kaiyuma       Sd83  Asaobora
Akatora       Sd84  Wakaazuma
Wakamiyabi    Sd85  Hokutoyakumo
Kakutaiki     Sd86  Maenofuji
Musashiumi    Sd87  Dewanosora
Chiyoyamato   Sd88  Takano
Takanoryu     Sd89  Chiyotaiyo
Asashiyu      Sd90  Tochihayate


Jonidan

 

Ryubumaru      Jd1   Chura
Shinyashiki    Jd2   Nakashima
Sekizuka       Jd3   Amakaze
Wakahizen      Jd4   Genbumaru
Souga          Jd5   Nakaishi
Tochinoshima   Jd6   Kototaiga
Arise          Jd7   Kayatoiwa
Kiryu          Jd8   Kyokuhozan
Sato           Jd9   Motokiyama
Hamadayama     Jd10  Hayashiryu
Rinko          Jd11  Aron
Yoshino        Jd12  Hagane
Chiyokozan     Jd13  Hienriki
Hokutonami     Jd14  Ishii
Koshinoryu     Jd15  Ayaminato
Daijo          Jd16  Fukuazuma
Akisada        Jd17  Chiyotaisei
Hakuyo         Jd18  Kotoegashira
Fukuminato     Jd19  Minorufuji
Mogamizakura   Jd20  Hatachijo
Denzan         Jd21  Matsugashima
Iitsuka        Jd22  Tsukubayama
Kainowaka      Jd23  Ojiyama
Koki           Jd24  Hirose
Miyanofuji     Jd25  Kaitoma
Nakai          Jd26  Miyakogawa
Kototora       Jd27  Yamana
Ouzakura       Jd28  Ishiazuma
Anzai          Jd29  Kurokage
Zuitenryu      Jd30  Tochikasuga
Mimurodake     Jd31  Chiyoresshi
Iko            Jd32  Chiyotaiko
Tatsuosho      Jd33  Takasu
Wakatanaka     Jd34  Mabuchi
Asakoga        Jd35  Shogun
Kyokutaiga     Jd36  Shimanishiki
Kyokutaisei    Jd37  Taniguchi
Yusui          Jd38  Yamato
Bushi          Jd39  Ogitora
Daikinryu      Jd40  Izumigawa
Roman          Jd41  Tenei
Asasorai       Jd42  Kazuto
Fujinotani     Jd43  Hamasu
Ryuseio        Jd44  Takahashi
Kazunofuji     Jd45  Takatsukasa
Kotomyozan     Jd46  Michihaya
Shunkaku       Jd47  Matsumoto
Ito            Jd48  Asashorei
Asaazuma       Jd49  Kyokumizuno
Chiyotensho    Jd50  Ai
Chiyoshishi    Jd51  Kirizakura
Takabaho       Jd52  Fujimusashi
Daishimatsu    Jd53  Kototaisei
Gaia           Jd54  Tochimitsuru
Tanimoto       Jd55  Amamidake
Kokuryunami    Jd56  Sonoshun
Kiyota         Jd57  Yukiamami
Daisho         Jd58  Noguchi
Hokutoizumi    Jd59  Nishikimaru
Byakuen        Jd60  Takataisho
Kenho          Jd61  Setoyutaka
Daishohama     Jd62  Suyama
Mogaminishiki  Jd63  Watatani
Yasunishi      Jd64  Naniwamusashi
Satsumao       Jd65  Sawayaka
Okunidake      Jd66  Hokutoshio
Kirinohana     Jd67  Kiyonohana
Okuniyama      Jd68  Kogomaru
Fujiyuho       Jd69  Fubu
Tamatensho     Jd70  Shishimaru
Asahimaru      Jd71  Masakifuji
Takeazuma      Jd72  Mori
Oatari         Jd73  Chiyodaigo
Tsukioka       Jd74  Miyabi
Suonada        Jd75  Dairinzan
Akinishiki     Jd76  Hokutoshin
Kinseiryu      Jd77  Hokutoyoshi
Satonofuji     Jd78  Kotokiho
Chiyotsurugi   Jd79  Adachi
Kanazawa       Jd80  Hishuyama
Jokoki         Jd81  Detachi
Nishikiori     Jd82  Wakasa
Shoran         Jd83  Maniwayama
Tsurunoumi     Jd84  Wakatozakura
Azumanami      Jd85  Boshuyama
Wakaikki       Jd86  Tsubakifuji
Higonoryu      Jd87  Toshunryu
Tamanowaka     Jd88  Nishikio
Wakaonehara    Jd89  Ikazuchido
Watanabe       Jd90  Takemaru
Tenichi        Jd91  Aoifuji
Oshozan        Jd92  Mihonoumi
Matsugi        Jd93  Kyokushozan
Chikureisen    Jd94  Tsuyasato
Kaihiryu       Jd95  Kirimaru
Zuiko          Jd96  Okanojo
Sadanojo       Jd97  Chiyooume
Nihonmatsu     Jd98  Terunosato
Asanoshima     Jd99  Tatsunoumi
Asadoji        Jd100 Fujinoteru
Shoryudo       Jd101 Sawada
Chiyofuku      Jd102 Shinzan
Masutani       Jd103 Daitensho
Kyonosato      Jd104 Hokutosato
Yoshinofuji    Jd105 Azumayama
Matsuzawa      Jd106 Koga
Daitenshin     Jd107 Sakura


Jonokuchi

 

Wakayamanaka  Jk1   Oyamazakura
Tamanotora    Jk2   Takaarashi
Satotanaka    Jk3   Najima
Yamada        Jk4   Wakasei
Toramusashi   Jk5   Sawaisamu
Moriurara     Jk6   Agazumazakura
Kotofuno      Jk7   Takatairiku
Teraosho      Jk8   Wakaarata
Oyamada       Jk9   Sano
Nishihara     Jk10  Yamadaumi
Soga          Jk11  Tairikuyama
Chikunokura   Jk12  Tsugunohana
Fujinonami    Jk13  Urutora
Wakayahara    Jk14  Shokeima
Sawanofuji    Jk15  Hokuozan
Wakakaneko    Jk16  Otani
Okuyama       Jk17  Sachinofuji
Itakozakura   Jk18  Higohikari
Hamasaki      Jk19  ---


(New shikona in red.)

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So Endou gets demoted one spot with 3 wins and Takanoshou gets demoted 9 spots with one win? Wow, glad I didn't enter this time- I would have gotten a -10.

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Again a short list of shikona changes, just one more than last basho. Shin-Juryo Kanno's change to Tochimusashi was announced along with his promotion shortly after the Nagoya basho.

Two of the other changes come from Asahiyama-beya. A year after reverting to his family name, Sugawara now takes his second proper shikona, Harunishiki. The first kanji is not often used in shikona but I like it, and the reading of Haru is unusual as well. Anyway, he has also changed the given name to Yoshinobu.

His stablemate Nishikiryu makes an addition to his existing shikona, simply adding 'no' to the middle. He also changes the given name, but in his case it now matches his real given name of Ryusei.

Lastly, Asakayama-beya's Kairo has reverted to his earlier shikona of Kaitoma, the latter two kanji being those of his family name.


J14e Kanno > Tochimusashi (栃武蔵,  とちむさし)
Sd59e Sugawara Sho > Harunishiki Yoshinobu (悠錦 義信,  はるにしき よしのぶ)
Sd69w Nishikiryu Yusei > Nishikinoryu Ryusei (錦乃竜 龍星,  にしきのりゅう りゅうせい)
Jd25w Kairo > Kaitoma (魁當真,  かいとうま)


One rikishi changes the given name only:

Jd35e Asakoga Keita > Kingoro (金五郎,  きんごろう)


Two rikishi with late-stage arasoi action in Nagoya had given names added to their profiles which need adding to the database. Both backdated to the start of their career.

Jd11e Rinko Yoshikazu (寛一,  よしかず)
Jd42w Kazuto Ko (幸,  こう)

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3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

So Endou gets demoted one spot with 3 wins and Takanoshou gets demoted 9 spots with one win? Wow, glad I didn't enter this time- I would have gotten a -10.

Sometimes you eat the bear, so times it bearly eats you.

This time the bear chewed me up, spit me out, and then the stomped all over the pieces that were left.

That must have been a fun (drunken) night in the izakaya where they drew up that mess.

Either that or they wore a blindfold and threw darts at a wall (probably the same izakaya) with the shikonas on it to make the picks.

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I see that just for fun they went ahead and adopted the heuristic I would have endorsed in the July banzuke with 3 and 3. Well at any rate this is my first official GTB kyujo just when I was about to have my 6th (or 7th) submission. Might as well just submit the banzuke's I agree with for the next year as opposed to the ones I expect them to use.

EDIT: oh boy, so in the 12 day tournament where Tobizaru finished 8-4 and Kotonowaka pulled out 2 days early at 7-3, we were forced to promoted Tobizaru ahead of Kotonowaka by virtue of the fact that Tobi would have finished above a .500 win percentage in a hypothetical 15 day competition. good application of math and logic!

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Let's just acknowledge that the rankings were updated and move on.

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This is an embarassment to sumo.  I should have known when there was talk of "fairness" in making the banzuke that there wouldn't be any.

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59 minutes ago, Ack! said:

This is an embarassment to sumo.  I should have known when there was talk of "fairness" in making the banzuke that there wouldn't be any.

Honestly, it seems like several rikishi get, let me try and be politically correct, "bad banzuke luck" when every banzuke is released. Let me clear by saying it is not necessarily the same rikishi all of the time. (Thinkingindepth...)

 

 

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If they don't make clearer statements for next tournament, any guy with a bad start will be very keen to get covid (or a positive test, no matter if real)

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First time since Hatsu 1999 a banzuke with 3 sekiwake and 3 komusubi, 6 lower sanyaku was last in Kyushu 2019 o

New sekiwake Hoshoryu

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return komusubi Ichinojo had an online press conference

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new makuuchi Hiradoumi, from Nagasaki pref. like Sakaigawa oyakata, the first from there since Sadanofuji Kyushu 2011

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Bummer for Mitoryu that he won't be able to go for the "most consecutive basho in Juryo" record anymore. Always seemed like that was his goal.

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5 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

First time since Hatsu 1999 a banzuke with 3 sekiwake and 3 komusubi, 6 lower sanyaku was last in Kyushu 2019

Well, I figured that right, only I thought Ichinojo would get the sekiwake slot. Kind of weird they thought they needed to promote Hoshoryu when his only real sanyaku win was against fellow Komusubi Abi. You would think that if they felt they needed to promote Hoshoryu they would have just made a fourth Sekiwake slot for Ichinojo and gone with 2 Komusubi.

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21 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

So Endou gets demoted one spot with 3 wins and Takanoshou gets demoted 9 spots with one win? Wow, glad I didn't enter this time- I would have gotten a -10.

I was thinking this also, but then I remembered that Takanoshou actually went kyujo but not because of covid, so he must have been treated as a regular 1-14 record. Meanwhile Endo was a 3-9 and....I don't know, they counted it as a 6-9?...and even by that standard they were generous.

By the way, I forgot this Takanosho fact and put him as M3e in my 8th placed guess for this basho. That GTB game is just great.

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6 hours ago, just_some_guy said:

Bummer for Mitoryu that he won't be able to go for the "most consecutive basho in Juryo" record anymore. Always seemed like that was his goal.

Speaking of which, what is the record?

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1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

I think it's Sawakaze, with a mighty 39

Minor caveat, but with 36 slots in juryo as opposed to 28, Sawakaze had considerable more leeway and arguably had it slightly easier.

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Somewhat remarkably given the general tenor of Reddit, there doesn't seem to be much consternation there about the banzuke.  I attribute that to the fact that most of them only have a very vague idea of how the banzuke usually works.  Not a single person complaining about Ichiyamamoto though, and there's currently 60 comments.  One comment about Endo.  The only thing that it seems like someone was angry at in principle was the promotion of Hoshoryu, despite the fact that there was very clear precedent with Asanoyama that in strange situations they possibly won't treat certain Sekiwake as blocking promotion.

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I have a hard time seeing our two M1 do well that high in the banzuke. I mean that expended sanyaku group looks great and there are guys better than them behind (kotonowaka, takayasu...) 

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1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

Minor caveat, but with 36 slots in juryo as opposed to 28, Sawakaze had considerable more leeway and arguably had it slightly easier.

True, though others who came along more recently also had more consecutive juryo basho than Mitoryu

Credit to WAKATAKE for the list

Most Consecutive Basho in Juryo (6BPY)

1. 39 - Sawakaze (3/1960~7/1966)
2. 34 - Tomonohana (3/1996~9/2001)
3. 30 - Kochi (11/1958~9/1963)
3. 30 - Tochiisami (1/1975~11/1979)
3. 30 - Hakuryu (5/1979~3/1984)
3. 30 - Toyonoumi (5/1994~3/1999)
7. 29 - Azumanishiki (11/1962~7/1967)

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10 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

First time since Hatsu 1999 a banzuke with 3 sekiwake and 3 komusubi, 6 lower sanyaku was last in Kyushu 2019

And three Ozeki, for symmetry. If we had two more Yokozuna, we'd have four of a kind.

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(Moved over from the GTB thread.)

3 hours ago, Reonito said:
19 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

The covid absences of those with 8 wins or losses are removed entirely from their score in calculating a win-loss differential to move that rikishi up or down a certain amount.

I don't think that's what they actually did. As @Gurowake and @Sumo Spiffy also noted, it looks roughly like for those with 8+ wins they assumed all the absences were losses, and for those with 8+ losses they assumed the absences were wins.

19 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

Oh, and obviously Endo's rank is egregious but there's always one.

Endo's placement is consistent with this interpretation, as is Nishikigi's.

I don't know about that. At the very least, how Endo and Hokutofuji were treated then implies inconsistency in how they looked at the fusenpai. They don't seem to have tossed it out for Hokutofuji, because to do so would mean a 7-8 record for him but he fell below Tochinoshin's real 7-8. On the contrary, if the fusenpai were counted as a loss for Endo as well (and the other absences as wins), he'd be 5-10 and should have fallen below Aoiyama, rather than stayed between Wakamotoharu and Aoiyama's nearby 6-9 records.

Elsewhere it does appear that they've consistently treated the fusenpai as a loss in the sekitori divisions, and then let the usual banzuke luck take hold so that e.g. Tamawashi stayed put with 8 losses (like Ura and Sadanoumi also did in the joi) while Tsurugisho dropped with 8 (like Chiyoshoma also did down low). However, then in juryo it's all even more messy with Azumaryu and Kaisho demoted slightly with records that weren't MK even with the fusen. I guess Kaisho can be excused simply because he's in a very crunched banzuke area, but I don't see why they dropped Azumaryu when space was still plentiful in his zone. It's almost like they tried to treat those two consistently even though it required breaking away from what they did in makuuchi.

Then in the lower divisions, it looks like the fusenpai were consistently treated as not MK-clinching; all the guys with 2-4-1 records after three real losses stayed at their ranks. (Edit: Ditto everybody who finished 3-4 with a Covid fusen.)

They messed up elsewhere, though; there are two further 2-4-1's who had four real losses + Covid exit, Kaihiryu and Kotofuno, and while they did both get demoted as one would expect, Kaihiryu seemingly got 3-4 treatment for the absence while Kotofuno got 2-5. I haven't yet looked at how much sense the promotions and demotions are making for all the other guys who had clinched KK or MK already before they were taken out.

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Commiserations to Daiamami who also got caught out by the mid-low juryo crunch and might as well have finished with a full 2-13; his new rank doesn't look much like a 4-11 equivalent (let alone a 5-10, if he'd received his stablemate Endo's apparent treatment).

And since nobody has explicitly mentioned it yet - after having fought to a 6-2 record, Ichiyamamoto is now two spots closer to juryo than he was. That's just splendid.

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43 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

(Moved over from the GTB thread.)

I don't know about that. At the very least, how Endo and Hokutofuji were treated then implies inconsistency in how they looked at the fusenpai. They don't seem to have tossed it out for Hokutofuji, because to do so would mean a 7-8 record for him but he fell below Tochinoshin's real 7-8. On the contrary, if the fusenpai were counted as a loss for Endo as well (and the other absences as wins), he'd be 5-10 and should have fallen below Aoiyama, rather than stayed between Wakamotoharu and Aoiyama's nearby 6-9 records.

Elsewhere it does appear that they've consistently treated the fusenpai as a loss in the sekitori divisions, and then let the usual banzuke luck take hold so that e.g. Tamawashi stayed put with 8 losses (like Ura and Sadanoumi also did in the joi) while Tsurugisho dropped with 8 (like Chiyoshoma also did down low). However, then in juryo it's all even more messy with Azumaryu and Kaisho demoted slightly with records that weren't MK even with the fusen. I guess Kaisho can be excused simply because he's in a very crunched banzuke area, but I don't see why they dropped Azumaryu when space was still plentiful in his zone. It's almost like they tried to treat those two consistently even though it required breaking away from what they did in makuuchi.

Then in the lower divisions, it looks like the fusenpai were consistently treated as not MK-clinching; all the guys with 2-4-1 records after three real losses stayed at their ranks. (Edit: Ditto everybody who finished 3-4 with a Covid fusen.)

They messed up elsewhere, though; there are two further 2-4-1's who had four real losses + Covid exit, Kaihiryu and Kotofuno, and while they did both get demoted as one would expect, Kaihiryu seemingly got 3-4 treatment for the absence while Kotofuno got 2-5. I haven't yet looked at how much sense the promotions and demotions are making for all the other guys who had clinched KK or MK already before they were taken out.

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Commiserations to Daiamami who also got caught out by the mid-low juryo crunch and might as well have finished with a full 2-13; his new rank doesn't look much like a 4-11 equivalent (let alone a 5-10, if he'd received his stablemate Endo's apparent treatment).

And since nobody has explicitly mentioned it yet - after having fought to a 6-2 record, Ichiyamamoto is now two spots closer to juryo than he was. That's just splendid.

I don't think there is a single logic to the whole thing that was applied consistently throughout (which, of course is also true for more conventional banzuke), but the notion of padding out MK/KK COVID-kyujo records with wins/losses respectively helped me make sense of several decisions that seem inexplicable otherwise.

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