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Kinbouzan,  new.

Kanno, now Tochimusashi - new

Takakentou, returning

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Kinbozan

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with Kise oyakata

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Kanno (Tochimusashi)

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with Kasugano oyakata

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When I think of these Eastern European rikishi, the first image that pops into my mind is that of a tall, strong and rather technically-challenged type of lad, not to say clumsy. I haven't seen all his of bouts yet, but Kinbozan clearly doesn't fit this description. His college pedigree most likely plays a role here, because his balance is quite good as well as his composure. He seems to know where to target his attacks and how to time them accordingly. I look forward to seeing him in Juryo.

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TYPO, as usual.

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Not that he can't go far as he is now, but Kinbozan kind of strikes me as 'finished product'. It doesn't really feel like he's still got a lot of room to grow and improve.

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50 minutes ago, shumitto said:

When I think of these Eastern European rikishi, the first image that pops into my mind is that of a tall, strong and rather technically-challenged type of lad, not to say clumsy. I haven't seen all his of bouts yet, but Kinbozan clearly doesn't fit this description. His college pedigree most likely plays a role here, because his balance is quite good as well as his composure. He seems to know where to target his attacks and how to time them accordingly. I look forward to seeing him in Juryo.

Kinbozan being from Kazakhstan, a country with strong links to eastern Europe from recent Russian heritage but a tradition of turkic steppe culture, I'd be surprised if he compared more easily to European rikishi than Mongolian rikishi. There's a lot more shared culture, history and experience between Mongolia and Kazakhstan than Kazakhstan and Bulgaria.

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Abi is already fearing Kinbozan - no neck to nodowa!

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Amazingly, Kinbozan didn't do sumo at all until his first year of university I believe, and until his third year he was downright mediocre. Some of his old bouts may still be online, and they weren't pretty. But then when he came back for his third year, there had been notable improvement, and that fall he made his first individual quarterfinals at a national tournament in Kanazawa (won by Kanzaki incidentally). 

He closed the year by finishing runner-up in the All Japan Championship, amasumo's most prestigious tournament, and then as a senior went on a tear, going undefeated for the entire 2020 college season until losing to Oshoma in the semis of the tournament to crown student yokozuna. It is this late start and pronounced improvement that make me think he still has more room to grow than your standard 25 year old with a collegiate background - most of whom have been at it for 15-20 years.

As mentioned, he is not one of these staight up, towering yotsu rikishi from the mold of Baruto or Kotooshu, but is effective in applying his strength in numerous ways, with thrusting being his preferred method. He does still have some rough spots, but I think should move through juryo fast.

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25 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

Kinbozan being from Kazakhstan, a country with strong links to eastern Europe from recent Russian heritage but a tradition of turkic steppe culture, I'd be surprised if he compared more easily to European rikishi than Mongolian rikishi. There's a lot more shared culture, history and experience between Mongolia and Kazakhstan than Kazakhstan and Bulgaria.

But do they have a strong wrestling culture like Mongolia? I genuinely know almost nothing about Kazakhstan except they eat a lot of pilaf and don't care for Borat.

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15 minutes ago, Churaumi said:

But do they have a strong wrestling culture like Mongolia? I genuinely know almost nothing about Kazakhstan except they eat a lot of pilaf and don't care for Borat.

I don't have any insight about it, but a quick google for Kazakh wrestling tells me it exists, is very popular since independence, and looks similar to mongolian wrestling.

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15 minutes ago, Churaumi said:

But do they have a strong wrestling culture like Mongolia? I genuinely know almost nothing about Kazakhstan except they eat a lot of pilaf and don't care for Borat.

Having only participated in 7 Olimpics, they do have 17 medals at Wrestling events. That's more than most countries, including Mongolia

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I suppose I could have just asked Dr. Google myself.

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Last four basho for Takakento : 4-3, 7-8, 7-8, 4-3. Must be rough for these borderline juryo/makushita guys, always fearing losing their paycheck. 

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A small nitpick, but like Yarimotsu said I don't see how Kazakhstan is similar or related to Eastern Europe. Totally different geographically and culturally. 

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14 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Kanno, now Tochimusashi - new

Following the example of the oyakata, Tochinowaka from Wakayama pref., Tochimusashi is from Musashi no kuni, old name of Saitama. He went to the same Wakayama  pref. Minoshima high school as the oyakata. The oyakata and a mentor from primary/middle school discussed and decided on the shikona. http://www.sanspo.com/article/20220727-4OJGFT64EBJDTFCHHQN4PCU4NY/

I expected a pic with him showing the shikona - but he hadn't time to practice writing it: about his new shikona: "I myself knew nothing about it."

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He is a kind of white wrestler from the former Soviet Block (even though he was born after the USSR  collapsed, before another academic points that out). I used  the Eastern European concept - not entirely  inaccurate  - to refer to both ideas. I am deeply sorry if I offended our stand-by Scholars. But that is a good reminder of why not to post.

 

From the Wikipedia:

 

"Kazakhstan, officially the Republic of Kazakhstan, is a transcontinental landlocked country located mainly in Central Asia and partly in Eastern Europe. [bold is mine]"

 

Yes, it is  a tiny part, but it is there.

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10 hours ago, dingo said:

A small nitpick, but like Yarimotsu said I don't see how Kazakhstan is similar or related to Eastern Europe. Totally different geographically and culturally. 

It depends on his ethnic background: 70% (and rising) of Kazakhs are Turkic and Muslim, and 20% are Russian and (Russian) Orthodox.

"National" Kazakh wrestling is maybe somewhat like Mongolian wrestling: Sumo w.o a tachiai.(Idunno...)

Edit: Here's a video of the 2018 Asian championship in Kazakh Wrestling.

 

 

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3 hours ago, shumitto said:

I used  the Eastern European concept - not entirely  inaccurate  - to refer to both ideas. I am deeply sorry if I offended our stand-by Scholars. But that is a good reminder of why not to post.

Absolutely no offense taken, I just wanted to contribute from my own area of interest. Don't take it as a sign to not post, I think it became a helpful discussion for some other readers.

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Poor Roga missing out on promotion yet again. This will be 12 straight basho in the promotion zone, even worse luck than Tochimaru. Hopefully he finally makes it next basho.

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3 minutes ago, Yokozuna Hattorizakura said:

Poor Roga missing out on promotion yet again. This will be 12 straight basho in the promotion joi, even worse luck than Tochimaru. Hopefully he finally makes it next basho.

 

This is the first time he's KK'ed this high within striking range, though? Previously he's always MKed this high, and his previous KKs weren't anywhere high enough (Ms6, Ms4 with 4-3) to justify promotions, almost even if the bottom of jūryō fell out.

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11 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

Absolutely no offense taken, I just wanted to contribute from my own area of interest. Don't take it as a sign to not post, I think it became a helpful discussion for some other readers.

Likewise, I didn't mean to stir up any trouble or bad feelings. Just genuinely surprised to see Kinbozan referred to as Eastern European. 

15 hours ago, shumitto said:

From the Wikipedia:

 

"Kazakhstan, officially the Republic of Kazakhstan, is a transcontinental landlocked country located mainly in Central Asia and partly in Eastern Europe. [bold is mine]"

 

Yes, it is  a tiny part, but it is there.

The same Wikipedia article mentions that about 4% of Kazakhstan's territory lies in Europe. With the remaining 96% being smack in the middle of Central Asia, wouldn't it be more accurate to describe Kinbozan as Central Asian? 

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Will Kinbozan's hair be long enough for a top knot in September?

@Katooshu's background info about Kinbozan's collegiate career is fascinating. No sumo background until he started college then mediocre performance for three years before going on a tear? It'll be really interesting to watch him move through Juryo as he continues to grow and refine his skills. I'm always interested in the stories of how non-Japanese end up in Ozumo. How does a guy from Kazakhstan make it to Japan? How did Shishi get there from Ukraine?

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3 minutes ago, Shinobi Steve said:

Will Kinbozan's hair be long enough for a top knot in September?

Might be touch and go. I've seen longer zanbara than that. Might depend on how fast his hair grows. Certainly won't be a full ōicho, though.

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8 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

This is the first time he's KK'ed this high within striking range, though? Previously he's always MKed this high, and his previous KKs weren't anywhere high enough (Ms6, Ms4 with 4-3) to justify promotions, almost even if the bottom of jūryō fell out.

Not getting to juryo with back-to-back 4-3's in the top 5 ranks is on the unlucky side, though.

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6 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Not getting to juryo with back-to-back 4-3's in the top 5 ranks is on the unlucky side, though.

It's not 50:50 but it's pretty common. Now Tochimaru doing it back-to-back-to-back, on the other hand...

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1 hour ago, Kenneth Minami said:

Kinbozan was firstly mentioned in 2015 on Kazakh TV as a potential deshi of Asashoryu. 
https://youtu.be/JBCQd9lV4kw

https://youtu.be/vS_HToc90A4

And Asashoryu talks about the many similarities between Mongolia and Kazakhstan, and how this is his 5th visit there to establish relations between the wrestling federations.

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