New recruits Nagoya 2022

[Jakusotsu 4,906]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

Is it just me, or does Ōtani look much older than he actually is?

Russell Crowe all the way.

[Oortael 137]

11 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Are we going to be forced to use the outdated Romanization scheme for some rikishi's real name just because some other sport that has a more famous person of the same name still does it for god knows what reason? 

IIRC, Ohtani asked for the additional H in his name when he transfered.

[Akinomaki 34,925]

On 14/06/2022 at 07:01, Inside Sport Japan said:

Sumo July tournament new recruit results:

(Isegahama stable) 2006 Mar 6 Origiru Ganzorig (Mongolia / Saitama) 168cm 79kg

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(Miyagino stable) 1999 Dec 25 Masatada Otani (Niigata / Okinawa) 184cm 188kg

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[Gurowake 3,485]

On 12/06/2022 at 23:56, Katooshu said:

I have wondered if he has mixed ethnicity:

I spent a bit looking for anyone else who was thinking this and didn't notice you mention it the first time around.  I thought of it specifically because of how much chest hair he has.  I'm not sure if I even had that much chest hair when I was that age. Given how clean the chests are of all the other pure Japanese and Mongolian rikishi, I'd say he has to have some ancestry elsewhere, even if it's just more Ainu than average.

[Inside Sport Japan 680]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

more Ainu than average.

He is far more likely to have Ryukyu DNA than that of a different ethic group from the opposite end of Japan.

[Inside Sport Japan 680]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

 pure Japanese

Japan, despite what many would like to have you believe, isn’t ethnically homogenous.

[Gurowake 3,485]

3 hours ago, Inside Sport Japan said:

Japan, despite what many would like to have you believe, isn’t ethnically homogenous.

My comment was meant to distinguish most Japanese rikishi, who in general have no chest hair, from those who have known ancestry from outside Japan and that have chest hair, like Takayasu.  I don't know of any rikishi (other than this new recruit) with significant chest hair that doesn't have known ancestry outside of Japan.  If you have a counterexample, I would be interested.

Edited June 16, 2022 by Gurowake

[Seiyashi 3,459]

If you ask me, he looks like he has some European ancestry in him, maybe Russian or East European. Which is again probably the wrong end of Japan to look for Russians (cf Taihō).

[Koorifuu 466]

So maezumo will consist of two lads bouncing against each other time and time again, and one of them is more than twice as heavy as the other. Neat.

[Inside Sport Japan 680]

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

My comment was meant to distinguish most Japanese rikishi

Yes. I understood you were probably referring to Yamato Japanese and wasn't taking a shot at you - just attempting to point out that phrases like 'pure Japanese' are particularly inflammatory among the Ryukyuan people.

Unlike the Ainu they remain officially unacknowledged by the government. 

I don't know Otani's family background but he is, as far as I know, from Okinawa - a place where native (non Yamato) Japanese have long been discriminated against. 

The point I'm (obviously badly) making is that anyone casually speculating about the 'Japaneseness' of someone from Okinawa because of physical differences to Yamato people is venturing into a minefield.

[Kamitsuumi 309]

4 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I don't know of any rikishi (other than this new recruit) with significant chest hair that doesn't have known ancestry outside of Japan.  If you have a counterexample, I would be interested.

Shohozan?

[Chartorenji 159]

6 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

So maezumo will consist of two lads bouncing against each other time and time again, and one of them is more than twice as heavy as the other. Neat.

Good news, the Isegahama kid looks to have some muscle in them arms

Bad news: His opponent is 110 kilos heavier then him and has the chanko belly. 

 

Will be fun. 

[Seiyashi 3,459]

11 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said:

Shohozan?

While he does have chest hair, and I'm no biological expert, mutations are a thing...

[Kamitsuumi 309]

Takakeisho has some photos with chest hair as well, although he seems to have shaved it off in others.

[Gurowake 3,485]

12 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said:

Shohozan?

I never really noticed it before or at least didn't remember, but in his Wikipedia picture it's pretty obvious.  Shohozan's skin complexion has by itself suggested ancestry outside of Japan to me.  I had thought he was Filipino to some extent, but there's no indication of that anywhere that I can find other than someone asking about it on Facebook.  So I guess that's a counterexample.

[Muhomatsu 147]

13 hours ago, Kamitsuumi said:

Shohozan?

I recall this guy was another one:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=87  Oh, and he has a low rikishi number! 87!  Guess I am old, like the database!

[Koorifuu 466]

Sendagawa / Toki was pretty hairy back in the day, even if we exclude the sideburns.

[Seiyashi 3,459]

On 13/06/2022 at 17:58, Katooshu said:

If Miyagino keeps scooping up former Hakuho Cup champs like Kawazoe and Mukainakano, the stable could also end up with Daiki Nakamura and Tetsuya Ochiai soon, the 2 amateur competitors showing the most pro potential I'd say (Ochiai also has the Tottori Johoku connection, having been teammates with Hokuseiho and Mukainakano). Could end up being a dream team heya if Hak can keep tapping into that talent pool.

Herouth tweeted this photo of Ochiai at Miyagino's asageiko.

[Katooshu 2,401]

Oh dang, hanging out at Miyagino, the Hakuho Cup connection, already having multiple high school buddies there, ditched the lifelong buzzcut........I'd say it all points toward one thing:

Ochiho 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Katooshu

[Jakusotsu 4,906]

13 hours ago, Muhomatsu said:

I recall this guy was another one:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=87  Oh, and he has a low rikishi number! 87!  Guess I am old, like the database!

Higher number, more hair: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=105

[Seiyashi 3,459]

14 hours ago, Muhomatsu said:

On 16/06/2022 at 12:11, Kamitsuumi said:

Shohozan?

I recall this guy was another one:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=87  Oh, and he has a low rikishi number! 87!  Guess I am old, like the database!

If I'm correct, based on rikishi ID, the database was started in Natsu 1998. So 87 would have placed him in Ms20 or thereabouts, depending on exactly how large the salaried divisions were at the time.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Seiyashi 3,459]

3 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Oh dang, hanging out at Miyagino, the Hakuho Cup connection, already having multiple high school buddies there, ditched the lifelong buzzcut........I'd say it all points toward one thing:

Ochiho 

When is he likely to join ozumo do you think?

[Akinomaki 34,925]

31 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

When is he likely to join ozumo do you think?

I would guess Aki, I don't think he picks Kyushu

On 25/04/2022 at 20:53, Akinomaki said:

He was interviewed at the (Koto-)Sakura-zumo kids tournament in Tottori, at which Ochiai started his sumo life. He's continuing with keiko at the moment (as Tottori Johoku staff I guess) and wants to join ozumo this year.

[Gurowake 3,485]

On 17/06/2022 at 03:59, Seiyashi said:

So 87 would have placed him in Ms20 or thereabouts

I mean, i guess you're not too far off, but if there were 70 sekitori he'd be Ms9e.  This was before the expansion by 4 to 70 though, so he was Ms11e.

[Seiyashi 3,459]

4 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

I mean, i guess you're not too far off, but if there were 70 sekitori he'd be Ms9e.  This was before the expansion by 4 to 70 though, so he was Ms11e.

Yeah. D'oh, will you believe I forgot to divide by 2?