Aki 2022 discussion (results)

[Kashunowaka 300]

The bottom half of juryo seems quite competitive this time. I am not thinking of Tochimaru in particular.

[Tochinofuji 362]

5 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

We had an Oguruma beya do-beya bout in Makushita today between Tomokaze and Yago, which seemed to have gone unnoticed. "I really enjoyed that sumo..I would have said that even if I had lost.. I faced him hundreds of times in keiko so i was really happy to face him. I hope to do this again soon," said Tomokaze later. Both are ex-Makuuchi injury plagues rikishi trying to climb back to  sekitorihood.

Does the ban on same-heya bouts only apply to makuuchi? Or to sekitori? I (apparently quite incorrectly) thought it was a blanket ban outside of playoffs in all divisions. 

[Gurowake 3,872]

37 minutes ago, Tochinofuji said:

Does the ban on same-heya bouts only apply to makuuchi? Or to sekitori? I (apparently quite incorrectly) thought it was a blanket ban outside of playoffs in all divisions. 

Oguruma-beya broke up.  Some like Yago went with Takekaze (Oshiogawa) when he split off just before it closed, and the rest were folded into Kisenosato's heya (Nishonoseki).

[Chartorenji 235]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

Am I missing something? He's 8-7, 8-7, 9-6 in the last three basho; he'd need two good basho in a row (including this one) to open the conversation. Even going 14 in this one leaves him at 31 only, which while not fatal, isn't exactly a strong 3-basho record either.

As much as I'd like him to reach the rank sooner rather than later, it's not likely within this basho, is it?

honestly I think 14 might be enough here as he is A) young and B) would probably be the most reliable Ozeki, something the other 3 seemingly can't get to

 

But yeah it's like 99.9% chance not happening

[Seiyashi 4,068]

1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

Hype for an ozeki run, not him reaching ozeki right after this basho...

Eh, that's old hat. He's arguably been hyped for an ōzeki run ever since he made jūryō and it was obvious he was going to be good enough to be a sanyaku mainstay at least.

[Gurowake 3,872]

1 minute ago, Chartorenji said:

honestly I think 14 might be enough here as he is A) young and B) would probably be the most reliable Ozeki, something the other 3 seemingly can't get to

 

But yeah it's like 99.9% chance not happening

I think 15 would have been enough this basho for sure (though not possible now) but 14 just doesn't seem like enough after only 8-8-9.  14 would mean he'd need only 10 next basho, and would be a much more reasonable-looking promotion.  The youth would work more against him though; see Takakeisho's snub at 10(M3w)-9-13-11.  After the Futahaguro debacle, I don't think they'll be promoting anyone based on expectactions any time soon.

[Gurowake 3,872]

6 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Eh, that's old hat. He's arguably been hyped for an ōzeki run ever since he made jūryō and it was obvious he was going to be good enough to be a sanyaku mainstay at least.

Honestly, his stint at the top of Makushita and bottom of Juryo was very unimpressive.  4-3, 4-3, 3-4, 4-3, 7-8, 8-7, 8-7 before getting 10-5 and having the accumulated banzuke luck from that basho and the two beforehand propel him to Makuuchi.  And then as a maegashira, 8-7, 7-8, 9-6, 8-7, 7-8 before another 10 win basho.  It's only really this year that he's looked like a sanyaku regular.  Ok, maybe he "looked" like one before that, but the results were pretty inconclusive.

[Gurowake 3,872]

If Takayasu keeps winning and Nishikigi keeps losing, we'll probably see Takayasu take the sanyaku matches normally intended for Nishikigi. Takayasu will presumably face those sanyaku with a heyamate in the top ranks (Terunofuji, Daieisho, Hoshoryu) regardless, but the Ozeki probably have their last maegashira matches Day 10-12 and normally by rank they'd be all against Nishikigi.

[Kintamayama 44,191]

6 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Er, no:

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/41816-aki-2022-discussion-results/?do=findComment&comment=475891

 

Well, very good then.. I try my best to keep up but lately it's just way too much.

[Jakusotsu 5,721]

1 hour ago, Kashunowaka said:

The bottom half of juryo seems quite competitive this time. I am not thinking of Tochimaru in particular.

Hey, have you watched Tochimaru's bouts? He's always at least as competitive as he is futile.

[Seiyashi 4,068]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

Honestly, his stint at the top of Makushita and bottom of Juryo was very unimpressive.  4-3, 4-3, 3-4, 4-3, 7-8, 8-7, 8-7 before getting 10-5 and having the accumulated banzuke luck from that basho and the two beforehand propel him to Makuuchi.  And then as a maegashira, 8-7, 7-8, 9-6, 8-7, 7-8 before another 10 win basho.  It's only really this year that he's looked like a sanyaku regular.  Ok, maybe he "looked" like one before that, but the results were pretty inconclusive.

When he won in those days he looked really good, but he could also lose in really stupid ways too. It was a combination of the former and his lineage that got the ōzeki hype started in the first place, much like the talk surrounding Ōhō, and as with all hype the expectations usually went beyond the actual results. 

Who's the last rikishi to be hyped on here that actually made good on their potential in a timely and efficient fashion? 

[sumojoann 1,254]

6 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

In other news:

I can't find/recall a thread on gyōji accidents so I'm just dumping it here, but Kimura Ginjirō had an unfortunate encounter with Hiradoumi's elbow today:

 

I didn't find a thread either but here's a YT compilation of gyojis getting injured.  In several cases, the Youtube uploader analyzes what led up to the accident while showing the bouts in slow-motion.  Poor Kimura Ginjiro.  He'll probably end up in the sequel.

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by sumojoann

[Eikokurai 3,433]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

If Takayasu keeps winning and Nishikigi keeps losing, we'll probably see Takayasu take the sanyaku matches normally intended for Nishikigi. Takayasu will presumably face those sanyaku with a heyamate in the top ranks (Terunofuji, Daieisho, Hoshoryu) regardless, but the Ozeki probably have their last maegashira matches Day 10-12 and normally by rank they'd be all against Nishikigi.

Nishikigi is 2-3 and has been fighting competitively. Seems a little early for talk like this.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

47 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

When he won in those days he looked really good, but he could also lose in really stupid ways too. It was a combination of the former and his lineage that got the ōzeki hype started in the first place, much like the talk surrounding Ōhō, and as with all hype the expectations usually went beyond the actual results. 

Who's the last rikishi to be hyped on here that actually made good on their potential in a timely and efficient fashion? 

Losing stupidly while young and rising rapidly through the ranks is no big deal; it’s how the rikishi responds that matters. Hoshoryu seems to be learning. Talent needs to be honed and that only comes with experience. Early career records don’t capture how quick of a study a rikishi is.

[Reonito 1,295]

23 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I don't think anyone's mentioned Mitakeumi at all.  Did people forget he's kadoban still?  Or is Shodai's futility overshadowing MItakeumi's second straight loss?

I was going to say he wanted to start 2-4 to show that he could have cleared kadoban last time, but he spoiled it with his victory today.

[Reonito 1,295]

7 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Tamawashi climbs up another rung, now the 4th-oldest kinboshi winner.
 

Winner			Basho, Day		Yokozuna	Age of Winner

1) Oshio		1940 Haru, Day 6	Minanogawa	39 years, 5 months, 6 days
2) Kitanonada		1961 Natsu, Day 3	Asashio		38 years, 3 months, 8 days
3) Nayoroiwa		1952 Aki, Day 5		Chiyonoyama	37 years, 11 months, 29 days
4) Tamawashi		2022 Aki, Day 5		Terunofuji	37 years, 9 months, 30 days
5) Dewanishiki		1963 Haru, Day 4	Taiho		37 years, 7 months, 26 days
6) Aminishiki		2016 Hatsu, Day 3	Kakuryu		37 years, 3 months, 9 days

 

He's also way up there for total wins against yokozuna among those ranked below Ozeki (18, though 4 are fusen).

Edited September 16, 2022 by Reonito

[Reonito 1,295]

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I think 15 would have been enough this basho for sure (though not possible now) but 14 just doesn't seem like enough after only 8-8-9.  14 would mean he'd need only 10 next basho, and would be a much more reasonable-looking promotion.  The youth would work more against him though; see Takakeisho's snub at 10(M3w)-9-13-11.  After the Futahaguro debacle, I don't think they'll be promoting anyone based on expectactions any time soon.

Last successful run with <32 was Onokuni in 1985.

[Katooshu 3,079]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Eh, that's old hat. He's arguably been hyped for an ōzeki run ever since he made jūryō and it was obvious he was going to be good enough to be a sanyaku mainstay at least.

If he keeps 80 percent of his form for the rest of the basho he'll be on a run for next tournament. He's never been at that point has he? 

He's had steady success and has been hyped plenty, even before people had actually seen him do sumo, but many of his records weren't particularly impressive considering the ranks he was at, and often he had to claw back late in a tournament to get a winning record. But I think he's getting to the level where he's close to actually delivering on the expectation that he'll make the O/Y ranks. I'd definitely expect the hype to kick up even more if he keeps pace this basho.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Katooshu

[Tochinofuji 362]

4 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Oguruma-beya broke up.  Some like Yago went with Takekaze (Oshiogawa) when he split off just before it closed, and the rest were folded into Kisenosato's heya (Nishonoseki).

Ahhh, that makes sense. I took it to mean current heya mates, not former ones. I should have at least checked the database before asking! Thank you! 

[BlckKnght 22]

There was another tsutaezori win today, in Sandanme. Here's a clip.

I wonder if Asakiryu tried out Ura's move, for fun, in practice sometime since day 4, and it just happened to work in his match today. He did go in pretty low, so maybe he was even planning it from the start.

[Kashunowaka 300]

7 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Hey, have you watched Tochimaru's bouts? He's always at least as competitive as he is futile.

I have watched them alright... 

[Akinomaki 39,497]

If not kadoban, Shodai has no incentive to win

[code_number3 694]

Yokuzuna and 3 Ozekis lost!

[Akinomaki 39,497]

18 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

At least we still have 2 sanyaku one win behind the leaders, but that may be over soon

That was over quickly

[Benihana 1,900]

All Ozeki lose, Ura snatches his second kinboshi and we had monoii en masse, oh beautiful day :)

3 kinboshi after 6 days is bad, almost abysmal. Not looking good for Terunofuji, i expect some serious pressure after the basho, regarding his further career.