Aki 2022 discussion (results)

[Katooshu 3,135]

2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Anyone else starting to feel he may ultimately end up shading his brother? 

End up in a higher position on the banzuke for a certain period? Very good chance

But he's got to do much more to convince me his career will turn out better, if that's what you mean. Little brother has won a top division yusho, several sansho, and spent the last 12 tournaments ranked higher than 'Moto has ever been. He's also KK'd in his last 6 (all M3 or higher, 3 in sanyaku), whereas his brother just went 6-9 at a career high of M4. It's not even close right now, and I'm not sure how much better Wakamo will get considering he's about to turn 29.

Bigger bro is strong and technically sound, but I think somewhat basic compared to WTK and less likely to put together the same run.

Edited September 14, 2022 by Katooshu

[Kamitsuumi 384]

1 hour ago, chishafuwaku said:

So the objective is this

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=4017&b=196803

only three more to go 

This guy's kimarite game is wild:

tsuridashi    114
utchari    61
uwatenage    51
yorikiri    35
hatakikomi    22
uwatedashinage    20
sotogake    15
ketaguri    10
shitatenage    10
kirikaeshi    9

[Yamanashi 3,724]

1 hour ago, chishafuwaku said:

So the objective is this

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=4017&b=196803

only three more to go 

Note: make him do a yaguranage and a kirikaeshi like the other guy did ... then we'll be impressed.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Something up with Ōshōma's knee? He collapsed almost straight out of the tachiai and was visibly limping afterwards.

Naruto seems to have the worst luck with injuries.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Ya that didn't look right, just crumpled. So many Naruto guys struggle with injury - could it be something about their training?

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

11 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Ya that didn't look right, just crumpled. So many Naruto guys struggle with injury - could it be something about their training?

What's ironic is that in a documentary about Naruto starting up his dohyo, he explicitly said he was going to employ secret training methods that would enable his deshi to do "injury-free sumo."

 

 

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Tsutaezori win for Ura--the first use of that technique in Makuuchi in 20 years.

[Taliesin 68]

Yeah. And 20 years ago it was Asashoryu.

Edit: And Asashoryu's was somewhat random. Ura's was very deliberate.

Edited September 14, 2022 by Taliesin

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Takakeisho practicing for his MMA debut.

[Koorifuu 886]

Takakeisho yet again leaving no room for doubt his issues with Kotonowaka, whatever they are, run deep.

[Yokozuna Hattorizakura 151]

Oshouma looks like he just stepped wrong, had all his weight on the top of his toes. he should be ok

Former heyamates Tomokaze and Yago fought each other today, was looking forward to it. When's the last time that happened? can't be that common.

 

[RabidJohn 1,663]

It feels like a while since we had a henka from Chiyoshoma; it almost surprised me.

I've seen Ura try moves like that before with limited success, but he's developed the upper body strength to really make it stick now. That tsutaezori was wonderful, and the first I've seen.

I had issues with a couple of other kimarite calls, though. That was an uwatenage from Onosho; Myogiryu was already going down when he took his hand off the belt. I'd call it a 50% success rate with throws so far this basho for Onosho, which is quite remarkable.
And Ichinojo had Daieisho on his way out with that arm pull (tottori? hikkake?) - the hand on the back was an afterthought.

I wonder if Midorifuji is regretting turning his bout with Wakatakakage into a brawl? Looked to me like the blow that sent him down hurt his neck.

Takakeisho was also in brawling mode today. Not pretty, but a necessary lesson for the up-and-coming Kotonowaka I suppose.

Amazes me how Terunofuji gets away with it. When I see a significantly shorter aite get that deep morozashi grip, I think '"Step into my parlour," said the spider to the fly'.

[Akinomaki 39,776]

1 hour ago, Kaninoyama said:

Takakeisho practicing for his MMA debut.

He showed his kyokushin background today

[Seiyashi 4,071]

56 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Takakeisho was also in brawling mode today. Not pretty, but a necessary lesson for the up-and-coming Kotonowaka I suppose.

Not sure it's a necessary lesson so much as an artifact of their bout in.... Ōsaka, if I remember correctly, where they were both pissed off after the bout. That was a lot of spirit from Takakeishō, but definitely in "did it cross the line or not" territory.

[Jakusotsu 5,813]

1 hour ago, Yokozuna Hattorizakura said:

Former heyamates Tomokaze and Yago fought each other today, was looking forward to it. When's the last time that happened? can't be that common.

Happened three times this year with Kaisei and Kaisho.

[Godango 956]

16 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Not sure it's a necessary lesson so much as an artifact of their bout in.... Ōsaka, if I remember correctly, where they were both pissed off after the bout. That was a lot of spirit from Takakeishō, but definitely in "did it cross the line or not" territory.

It was intense, but I don't think it even approached the line. All within the rules and spirit of fierce sumo. Takakeisho and Mitakeumi had a slapfest back in September 2018 which wasn't too far from today's bout: 

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[Tochinofuji 372]

8 hours ago, Katooshu said:

End up in a higher position on the banzuke for a certain period? Very good chance

But he's got to do much more to convince me his career will turn out better, if that's what you mean. Little brother has won a top division yusho, several sansho, and spent the last 12 tournaments ranked higher than 'Moto has ever been. He's also KK'd in his last 6 (all M3 or higher, 3 in sanyaku), whereas his brother just went 6-9 at a career high of M4. It's not even close right now, and I'm not sure how much better Wakamo will get considering he's about to turn 29.

Bigger bro is strong and technically sound, but I think somewhat basic compared to WTK and less likely to put together the same run.

I'm also always wary of a rikishi relying too much on utchari. Like Goeido and his kubinage, while the utchari is an impressive throw it's a bit of a desperation move, indicating you've likely been on the losing end of the match up to the reversal. 

Not to say that Wakamotoharu is over-reliant on it at this point, but if I were to pick one over the other I'd stick with Wakatakakage's hazu-oshi style yorokiri. 

[hakutorizakura 590]

Dang, that tsutaezori! Didn't expect it to work, Takarafuji is quite strong and stable usually, but there you go.

[Akinomaki 39,776]

On 13/09/2022 at 16:20, Akinomaki said:

On 10/09/2022 at 16:55, Akinomaki said:

After Nishonoseki, who writes columns for Sponichi and Nikkei shimbun, Miyagino now joins Oguruma as sports commentator for Hochi shimbun.

Hak started his column with a piece on the Ichinojo bout for day 1 and one on Asanoyama-Kawazoe for day 2 https://hochi.news/articles/20220912-OHT1T51206.html?page=1

- Nishonoseki wrote about out-boxer Tobizaru for that day https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2022/09/13/kiji/20220913s00005000063000c.html

- also Oguruma, Tamanoi and Fujishima, who writes for sanspo, picked that bout vs. Terunofuji

I think Miyagino is the first foreign born oyakata to write a regular column in Japanese for a national paper

For day 3 Miyagino wrote about the Oho-Ryuden bout, Oho as the grandson of his revered Taiho. He is happy that Oho apparently heeded the advice he gave him at the Hatsu basho as hanamichi guard, when Oho came back with consecutive losses. A more complex advice than he gave Shodai: Get yourself a winning pattern, don't just accept an invitation to a yotsu bout at the belt, go for a hazu-oshi (armpit push) http://hochi.news/articles/20220913-OHT1T51237.html?page=1

Miyagino likes to point out that he helps everybody

[Seiyashi 4,071]

20 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Miyagino likes to point out that he helps everybody

Well, Shōdai needs more help, it seems.

[dingo 1,160]

That look on Shodai's face after yesterday's and today's bout does not bode well. Can Hakuho be on guard duty every basho from now on? 

Tobizaru 2-2 after facing the Y/O crowd is very well done. Wonder what's in store for the rest of the basho. 

[Kaminariyuki 497]

On 13/09/2022 at 04:33, Benihana said:

Rumors say, Ura was seen training with bull fighters...OLÉ!

I suspect that Ura will have his handful the next time he faces Daiesho. That said, I threw my arms into the air, as well.

[Seregost 130]

Btw, what's up with Yutakayama? He looks sooo far away from that guy that defeated Mitakeumi when the latter won his first yusho in Nagoya 2018. He has been so disappointing since then :/

[Sue 482]

Ura was totally going for a tasukizori, wasn't he, but his arm just wouldn't quite reach? The tsutaezori was just as cool, if not quite as rare.

[Athenayama 953]

11 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Tsutaezori win for Ura--the first use of that technique in Makuuchi in 20 years.

Strange, I'm almost sure I saw him win that way not so long ago. Probably I'm mistaken.