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On 19/09/2022 at 03:29, Katooshu said:

Can't stand Otani. Like in the amateurs, he is a terrible sportsman. Why give a blatant late shove to a hopelessly overmatched 17-year-old jonokuchi rikishi?

I've finally got around to watch that...

It earned him an immediate bollocking from the shimpan, let's see if that taught him any manners.

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Seriously though, it was good to feel the love for him from the crowd, definitely the second loudest noise of the day apart from the spectacular Tobizaru v Ura.

The big eye opener was seeing how hard-fought and enjoyable to watch the bouts in Jonidan were. (I guess there's no reason to think otherwise, I've just watched too much of Hattorizakura).

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12 hours ago, Reonito said:

Am I wrong that this is one of those situations in which you're allowed to put a hand down to cushion the fall without it counting against you? I recall that there's a rule along those lines, but not the exact details.

Like for a kubinage I guess. I expect your recall is spot on, and that no exact details exist ;-) 

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12 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:
On 19/09/2022 at 10:29, Katooshu said:

Can't stand Otani. Like in the amateurs, he is a terrible sportsman. Why give a blatant late shove to a hopelessly overmatched 17-year-old jonokuchi rikishi?

I've finally got around to watch that...

It earned him an immediate bollocking from the shimpan, let's see if that taught him any manners.

Was that today or two days ago? No sign of a dame-oshi in Tachi-ai's clip of today's bout on Twitter.

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2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Tamawashi is the first hiramaku/plain maegashira for 37 years to win against all ozeki and yokozuna in a basho (and on the banzuke). The last was Kitao, later yokozuna Futahaguro Nagoya 1985 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=4136&b=198507

https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2022/09/21/kiji/20220921s00005000061000c.html

So what you're saying is Tamawashi's the next Yokozuna? B-)

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5 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Was that today or two days ago? No sign of a dame-oshi in Tachi-ai's clip of today's bout on Twitter.

Yep, this was on Day 9. Apologies I was a couple of days late reacting to Katooshu's post.

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2 hours ago, Benihana said:

Yeah, i hope Ura's knees hold, so we'll have a long "feud" for the title of who's the no.1 little, wily, leg grabbing annoyance on the dohyo. 

To be fair to Tobizaru he's not done a lot of that this basho. Other than against Terunofuji, he's actually been rather straightforward, which makes it all the more impressive that he's KK. I've a newfound respect for him this basho, whereas I still get a bit snooty about Ura's sumo.

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For all the veterans, how does the current batch of ozekiwake compared to their earlier predecessors?

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2 minutes ago, rhyen said:

For all the veterans, how does the current batch of ozekiwake compared to their earlier predecessors?

S#$%.

And this comes from a serial Shodai apologist.

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2 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:
3 minutes ago, rhyen said:

For all the veterans, how does the current batch of ozekiwake compared to their earlier predecessors?

S#$%.

And this comes from a serial Shodai apologist.

Might I interest you in this?

I haven't updated the numbers, but Shōdai's and Mitakeumi's numbers are pretty crap, and the only thing stopping them from being crappier than e.g. Kaiō's is that they don't have as long a reign.

Takakeishō doing his best but he's unfortunately dealt a bad hand in terms of sumo techniques.

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41 minutes ago, Octofuji said:

Shodai won and I was there!!!

You need to get in touch and see how big a cut you can get out of him to stay around.

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1 hour ago, Gospodin said:

What kind of injury is Mitakeumi supposedly suffering from ? Thanks.

I don't know if anyone knows, but it's the only way to explain what's going on with him since 05/22. This isn't even Mitakeumi B, he's C or D right now. Going from 11-4, 13-2Y and 11-4 to 6-9, 2-5-8 and 3-8 is not a normal decline in form for a 29y-old sumotori.

EDIT: I see your question has already been answered.

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40 minutes ago, Octofuji said:

Seriously though, it was good to feel the love for him from the crowd, definitely the second loudest noise of the day apart from the spectacular Tobizaru v Ura.

This got me thinking, how are they still cheering him? I would have given up on rooting for that guy a long time ago. Does he deserve that reaction for a 2nd victory in 11 days as an Ozeki against a random maegashira? I guess that speaks for the loyalty of the Japanese fans when compared to westerners. (Scratchingchin...)

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19 minutes ago, nagora said:

You need to get in touch and see how big a cut you can get out of him to stay around.

He'll be just fine by himself next time round I'm sure :)

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Leo C said:

This got me thinking, how are they still cheering him? I would have given up on rooting for that guy a long time ago. Does he deserve that reaction for a 2nd victory in 11 days as an Ozeki against a random maegashira? I guess that speaks for the loyalty of the Japanese fans when compared to westerners. (Scratchingchin...)

I'm sure you're right him being Japanese is a big factor, but maybe not the only one. With Shodai I expect him to both lose and disappoint, which is frustrating, and so when he surprises you part of the emotional response is not just a positive reaction but also the release of nine days of frustration.

When we stop feeling the frustration (e.g. Kotoshogiku) then we really have given up on them. Two or three bad bashos in a row for Shodai and maybe that will begin to happen. But it's easy to forget that in Nagoya week 2 he was almost unbeatable.

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I rarely watch Chris Sumo's YT videos (don't like his tone of self-importance), but a recent one made me laugh.  As the 3 Ozekis were dismounting the dohyo at the end of the dohyo-iri, Chris said haughtily, "The unwitting parade of the underachievers."

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2 hours ago, Hakuryuho said:

So what you're saying is Tamawashi's the next Yokozuna? B-)

Among what we are having now, he already is yokozuna

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9 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:
2 hours ago, Hakuryuho said:

So what you're saying is Tamawashi's the next Yokozuna? B-)

Among what we are having now, he already is yokozuna

I know it started as a joke, but his record since his first yūshō is actually quite bad - he would have been demoted multiple times had he been ōzeki during this period. We would have despaired of him harder than Takakeishō.

It's just that the current sengoku period has lasted so long, he's the first person to be able to go "hot" twice during it.

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9 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

I know it started as a joke, but his record since his first yūshō is actually quite bad - he would have been demoted multiple times had he been ōzeki during this period. We would have despaired of him harder than Takakeishō.

Purely hypothetic. Iron Man would have ganbarized much harder if he had to.

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3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Shoulder, apparently.

Shoulder was in May. He went to degeiko pre basho. Maybe it is something new.

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In other off dohyō news (I can't really find anywhere else to put it), Miyagino, Kakuryū, and Shibatayama had had a talk event at the sumo museum during the basho. On top of the pics in Akinomaki's daily pics thread, the NSK also posted pictures of the three oyakata with the participants in their talk events:

https://twitter.com/sumokyokai/status/1572187069426049025

Miyagino has some more pics of his own, with Kasugayama (ex-Ikioi) and Tomozuna (ex-Kaisei):

https://twitter.com/HakuhoSho69/status/1572467581130526725

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1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Among what we are having now, he already is yokozuna

At this time whomever wins a yusho is basically the yokozuna for a basho. Whether it be Mitakeumi, Wakatakakage, Ichinojo or someone else. There's not much else to distinguish between the rikishi otherwise. 

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7 hours ago, Benihana said:

Yeah, i hope Ura's knees hold, so we'll have a long "feud" for the title of who's the no.1 little, wily, leg grabbing annoyance on the dohyo. 

The actual bout was a little jarring, like interrupting jungyo for a shokkiri demo of freestyle wrestling.  I felt like the announcer could have said at the end, "and now we return to your big lumbering Sumo."

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7 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Kabai-te, but it's rare enough I've never seen one called in the 3-4 years I've watched sumo.

Thank you; I don't know that they'd explicitly call it, but it looks like it would apply in the bout in question:

Kabai-te (庇い手) literally translates as defending hand. When the two wrestlers fall together, the wrestler on the lower side is referred to as shini-tai, or dead body, meaning that he is the loser even if he doesn't touch the ground first. In this case, if injury is foreseen, the wrestler on the upper side is allowed to support his weight by sticking out a hand on the ground (kabai-te) prior to the shini-tai wrestler touching the ground first. Although the wrestler on top touches first, he is still declared the winner.

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