Aki 2022 discussion (results)

[Octofuji 327]

32 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

 

In the extreme slow motion replay from Natto's digest, Takakeishō had actually already started falling backwards before Hōshōryū's hands got anywhere near his leg. The "leg pick" made the outcome much clearer but was immaterial; as long as Hōshōryū had fallen on top of Takakeishō, it would still have been a -taoshi type win for Hōshōryū.

The culprit really was Takakeishō's right leg, in the wrong position for him to pivot and throw Hōshōryū. Their combined momentum put Takakeishō's centre of gravity behind him, which is why he started falling in the first place. If he had stepped back with the right leg and then executed the throw, Hōshōryū would be flying through thin air and Takakeishō would have his centre of gravity in front of him and under control.

Props to him for trying the throw, but that debacle shows exactly why he doesn't dare to do it more often - he just doesn't have the right instincts. Not yet, at least.

They touched at the same time as it is (as far as I can tell), and watching the video it does seem to me that Hoshoryu's intervention hastened Takakeisho's fall. But computing the effect on Hoshoryu's trajectory is beyond me!

Anyway you're right Takakeisho was in the wrong position, as you say it was an act of desperation (he also tried a kotenage against Endo a couple of tournaments ago and merely managed to pull himself out of the dohyo with great force, Endo hanging onto his coattails).

[rhyen 1,809]

4 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Terunofuji plans to have his yokozuna promotion party after the basho - he'll not be in the mood to celebrate, if he can do it at all while kyujo and in rehabilitation.

Also Shodai has his ozeki promotion party in October - at least he'll still be ozeki then. Mitakeumi better pull that Shodai switch or prepare for a 10 wins performance next.

Has there ever been an ozeki promotion party after a drop from ozeki?

Ask Tochinoshin?

[dingo 1,160]

2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

He was able to sit out half of last basho so he’s had more time to rest than most of the guys though, and they were kind enough to write that tournament off for him and give him a second chance to escape demotion. Understandable that in these circumstances he’d draw a little more criticism than usual.

If the injury is serious a few days won't make much difference. Look at Kisenosato or Terunofuji. Takayasu too lost his ozeki rank because of a lasting injury, otherwise I believe he would still be there. 

And I don't think there's ever been a rikishi who says look I'm injured, maybe I'll go makekoshi this basho. It just isn't done in sumo, that's why Mitakeumi also gambarizes even though he might not be in the condition to really wrestle. 

[Eikokurai 3,433]

9 minutes ago, dingo said:

And I don't think there's ever been a rikishi who says look I'm injured, maybe I'll go makekoshi this basho. It just isn't done in sumo, that's why Mitakeumi also gambarizes even though he might not be in the condition to really wrestle. 

That happens all the time. That’s basically most of the kyujo. Mitakeumi has only persevered because he has to: MK for him means no more Ozeki rank. If he were a Maegashira and hurting, he’d just take the Ls and drop a few ranks.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

On the subject of kyujo … we got our first one of the basho on day 10 (Abi’s total absence aside). It feels like a long time since we got this deep into a tournament before anyone dropped out, no? Particularly remarkable in light of last basho’s Covid-induced mess. Since I’m assuming Japan hasn’t miraculously cleansed itself of the virus, can we infer there’s been a relaxing of Covid policy in the Kyokai? Testing less?

Edited September 20, 2022 by Eikokurai

[dingo 1,160]

17 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

That happens all the time. That’s basically most of the kyujo. Mitakeumi has only persevered because he has to: MK for him means no more Ozeki rank. If he were a Maegashira and hurting, he’d just take the Ls and drop a few ranks.

Well yes a kyujo is an indirect admission, but what I meant is you'd never hear a rikishi say that out loud, while sometimes entering the basho nevertheless. And even in maegashira a rikishi would have to be fairly seriously injured, as in unable to put up any fight, to go kyujo. I'd see Mitakeumi totally entering a basho in his current condition as a maegashira. A rikishi might take 10+ losses during a basho but they'd never admit any issues before. 

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

55 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

On the subject of kyujo … we got our first one of the basho on day 10 (Abi’s total absence aside). It feels like a long time since we got this deep into a tournament before anyone dropped out, no? Particularly remarkable in light of last basho’s Covid-induced mess. Since I’m assuming Japan hasn’t miraculously cleansed itself of the virus, can we infer there’s been a relaxing of Covid policy in the Kyokai? Testing less?

No idea about testing but senshuraku parties are finally returning after this basho.

[Reonito 1,335]

8 hours ago, Octofuji said:

They touched at the same time as it is (as far as I can tell), and watching the video it does seem to me that Hoshoryu's intervention hastened Takakeisho's fall. But computing the effect on Hoshoryu's trajectory is beyond me!

Am I wrong that this is one of those situations in which you're allowed to put a hand down to cushion the fall without it counting against you? I recall that there's a rule along those lines, but not the exact details.

[Yangnomazuma 77]

Am I the only one who would like to see a Yusho playoff at 7-0 between Asanoyama and Asonoyama?

[Jakusotsu 5,810]

Shocked faces all around in Makushita, only one woman clapping frenetically!

[Tigerboy1966 1,376]

7 hours ago, Yangnomazuma said:

Am I the only one who would like to see a Yusho playoff at 7-0 between Asanoyama and Asonoyama?

Well it's not going to happen now thanks to the biggest upset of the basho. Well done Yuma!

[Godango 956]

8 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Shocked faces all around in Makushita, only one woman clapping frenetically!

I gasped loudly at work which got everyone watching the bout replay. He did well!

Edited September 21, 2022 by Godango

[Chartorenji 235]

8 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Well it's not going to happen now thanks to the biggest upset of the basho. Well done Yuma!

Me yesterday: Well looks like the only thing stopping this dream match is Asonoyama faltering 

Yuma: Watch this

 

(Also means Asanoyama is not going back to Juryo this time around lmao.) 

[Tigerboy1966 1,376]

You could say that Yuma was lucky, but he made his own luck. He stayed mobile, made Asa chase him around and took advantage when the favourite overbalanced.

[Godango 956]

Just now, Tigerboy1966 said:

You could say that Yuma was lucky, but he made his own luck. He stayed mobile, made Asa chase him around and took advantage when the favourite overbalanced.

Yeah I wouldn't call it lucky, as you went on to say he managed his opponent well and didn't let Asanoyama do his sumo. Great win for a lower-division veteran, hope he can keep the momentum going so they meet again as sekitori in a few bashos time.

[Godango 956]

Also on the upside, at least now we don't have to feel like we'd been robbed of a strong ozeki after all. 

[yohcun 393]

Shimanoumi's unfortunate run continues.... got mis-announced at "Shimazuumi" during the juyro dohyo-iri.

[Chartorenji 235]

10 minutes ago, Godango said:

Yeah I wouldn't call it lucky, as you went on to say he managed his opponent well and didn't let Asanoyama do his sumo. Great win for a lower-division veteran, hope he can keep the momentum going so they meet again as sekitori in a few bashos time.

He has to go through Daiseiryu and then Asonoyama most likely, a tough pair for sure, but if he shows that sumo off he might be able to. 

[Benihana 1,901]

1 hour ago, Chartorenji said:

Yuma: Watch this

 

[Jakusotsu 5,810]

The bad news is that Asanoyama will be messing with yet another Makushita yusho.

[Katooshu 3,135]

So close but so far from the Asonoyama vs Asanoyama dream yusho match 

[Akinomaki 39,773]

Tamawashi is the first hiramaku/plain maegashira for 37 years to win against all ozeki and yokozuna in a basho (and on the banzuke). The last was Kitao, later yokozuna Futahaguro Nagoya 1985 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=4136&b=198507

https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2022/09/21/kiji/20220921s00005000061000c.html

Edited September 21, 2022 by Akinomaki

[MrGrumpyGills 119]

10 hours ago, Reonito said:

Am I wrong that this is one of those situations in which you're allowed to put a hand down to cushion the fall without it counting against you? I recall that there's a rule along those lines, but not the exact details.

Never heard of such a rule before, but I'm happy to learn :)

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Disappointing sumo from Takayasu. Shouldn't have lost to Myogiryu there.

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Tamawashi, on the other hand, is well poised to take his second yusho at age 37.