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I hope Ichinojo is on fire and we‘ll get a exciting oldschool bout between him and Terunofuji, with a mizu iri :)

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56 minutes ago, Kurowashi said:

I hope Ichinojo is on fire and we‘ll get a exciting oldschool bout between him and Terunofuji, with a mizu iri :)

That'll be a rare one. I don't think the sanyaku bouts have ever had a mizu-iri in recent memory, let alone the musubi-no-ichiban, right?

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Kintamayama said the shimpan ruled that the hairpull didn’t affect the result, but that runs contrary to everything we’ve ever seen before. Hansoku are supposed to be called whatever the result. That’s usually what happens. If you pull someone’s hair, you’re disqualified for the act alone.

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4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Tottari, I think. I too thought it was a kotenage but both the NHK commentator and the gyoji called it as tottari. Is the difference where you grab on the arm?

I think the difference is he didn´t throw him, but used the arm bar to force him down/out.

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2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Sorry, I meant the kimarite announcers, who are gyoji, just not in the usual dress and sitting in business wear somewhere.

ok thanks!

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27 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

That'll be a rare one. I don't think the sanyaku bouts have ever had a mizu-iri in recent memory, let alone the musubi-no-ichiban, right?

For sure, it‘s been a while… But their early encounters had 2-3 mizu iri’s, iirc, so that‘s what i‘m referring to and it would be really awesome to have that happen again ;)

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59 minutes ago, Kurowashi said:

For sure, it‘s been a while… But their early encounters had 2-3 mizu iri’s, iirc, so that‘s what i‘m referring to and it would be really awesome to have that happen again ;)

I've been following oozumo ever since Ichinojo broke into the Top Division, and I can't recall a time where he and Terunofuji "got the benefit of" a mizuiri (n.b., I am suffering from early onset Alzheimers, or so I like to claim), let alone 2-3.  Can anyone verify how many mizuiri have been called between these two Mongolian Goliaths?

But I totally agree that seeing one in the final bout of the day would be awesome!  The folks at NHK news might not be thrilled. ;-)

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1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

Kintamayama said the shimpan ruled that the hairpull didn’t affect the result, but that runs contrary to everything we’ve ever seen before. Hansoku are supposed to be called whatever the result. That’s usually what happens. If you pull someone’s hair, you’re disqualified for the act alone. 

It's hard to guess what the shimpan are thinking in the heat of the moment. The November 2021 day 8 bout between them ended with a hairpull discussion as well. Quite confusing.

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25 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

I've been following oozumo ever since Ichinojo broke into the Top Division, and I can't recall a time where he and Terunofuji "got the benefit of" a mizuiri (n.b., I am suffering from early onset Alzheimers, or so I like to claim), let alone 2-3.  Can anyone verify how many mizuiri have been called between these two Mongolian Goliaths?

But I totally agree that seeing one in the final bout of the day would be awesome!  The folks at NHK news might not be thrilled. ;-)


Twice, in 2015 Hatsu and 2015 Haru.

I believe the last one to take place in the musubi-no-ichiban was in 1980 Hatsu, between Kitanoumi and Wakanohana II.

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5 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

You want me to cite unwritten rules? That will be difficult. 

And they're not worth the paper they're not written on

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I remember making a comment after those two mizu-iri that I hoped their next meeting would end up with a draw, which hasn't been seen for 50 years but presumably will still get called if they spend enough time unable to complete the match.  The only question is how much time would be "enough".

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Just now, Gurowake said:

I remember making a comment after those two mizu-iri that I hoped their next meeting would end up with a draw, which hasn't been seen for 50 years but presumably will still get called if they spend enough time unable to complete the match.  The only question is how much time would be "enough".

With NHK news as presumably a hard limit the chances are actually fairly good if they do drag it. At the very least it'll be unprecedented, which always means fun while people try and figure out what to do.

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2 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

With NHK news as presumably a hard limit the chances are actually fairly good if they do drag it. At the very least it'll be unprecedented, which always means fun while people try and figure out what to do.

The one good thing with it being the musubi-no-ichiban is that they know exactly how much time the matches after them will take.  7 years ago there would always be at least a few more to go.

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Rather than watching Teru & Ichi stand unmoving at the center of the dohyo for 8 minutes, maybe they could set up, like, a 4 minute tea ceremony and then they settle the match with some jan-ken-pon. 

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8 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

The irritating thing is, seeing as Shōdai has actually been looking like he's improving over the past two days, he might still actually get out of kadoban.

I mean, we're hoping he does, right?

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8 hours ago, Asapedroryu said:

Where on the unwritten rules of ozeki promotion says an 8-7 resets the run? Someone at sekiwake that does a 15-0, 8-7, 15-0 or 8-7, 15-0, 15-0 won't be promoted?

It doesn't.

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9 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

The irritating thing is, seeing as Shōdai has actually been looking like he's improving over the past two days, he might still actually get out of kadoban.

I mean, we're hoping he does, right?

Do we? There's a sentiment going around that he should just get demoted and put everyone out of their misery watching him, himself included. I must admit to growing sympathy with that view.

Getting out of kadoban is one thing, but if he's just going to wind back up there 1 basho later there's not much of a point in the whole charade, is there?

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10 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Getting out of kadoban is one thing, but if he's just going to wind back up there 1 basho later there's not much of a point in the whole charade, is there?

I still hold out hope that he can turn it around. The talent is certainly there. Anyway, "the ball don't lie"—if he fights well enough to pick up 8+ wins (or 10+ in September), he stays Ozeki; if he doesn't, he doesn't. But I'll certainly continue rooting for "good Shodai" to show up each day.

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At 4-0, I'd say Ryuden is well on his way to returning to the Top Division in September.  The bigger question is: what is he going to do once he gets there?  He reached Komusubi in one tournament (Nagoya 2019).  Will he make it back and beyond?  He seems to be a rank-and-file staple, and he's not getting any younger.

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At a quick glance, Shodai's head to head against the sanyaku is about even for wins/losses. His sumo is lackluster, but he could be a lot worse. When Goeidou was doing kadoban whack-a-mole, he was doing it in a top division saturated with talent and his frequent flirtation with demotion was a side note. Shodai has the misfortune of performing sumo with relatively similar results whilst standing on a very empty stage. For myself, after a decade of watching some very dominant sumo, it's a bit hard to get used to watching ordinary results. 

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1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

Do we? There's a sentiment going around that he should just get demoted and put everyone out of their misery watching him, himself included. I must admit to growing sympathy with that view.

Me too, i hoped he could reset his mind to the state in which he got the promotion, but it seems less likely every basho…

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44 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

At 4-0, I'd say Ryuden is well on his way to returning to the Top Division in September.  The bigger question is: what is he going to do once he gets there?  He reached Komusubi in one tournament (Nagoya 2019).  Will he make it back and beyond?  He seems to be a rank-and-file staple, and he's not getting any younger.

He'll become the next Okinoumi, and pass the torch to Kagayaki eventually.

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If you like seeing Satonofuji in action you might not want a draw - the yumitori-shiki won't take place if the final bout is drawn.

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Sorry, but I'm playing catch up today.  The bout between Yutakayama and Tsurugisho was ruled a uwatedashinage (overhand pulling throw) win for the former.  I've watched the replay numerous times (albeit Abema's single angle view), and I fail to see Yutakayama's hand getting any kind of grip on Tsurugisho's mawashi...

Anyone care to defend the kimarite ruling?  Please explain.

 

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1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

He'll become the next Okinoumi, and pass the torch to Kagayaki eventually.

Huh, so you think so, too?  It's amazing how much these guys look and act alike.  [It's creepy to have to tell them apart by boob shape ... ]

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