Nagoya 2022

[Katooshu 2,477]

Pretty sure most of the yokozuna Shodai talk is just joking to be fair 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Katooshu

[Godango 786]

2 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Pretty sure most of the yokozuna Shodai talk is just joking to be fair 

Indeed! That said, a lot of people laughed at the idea of ozeki Shodai so 

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,064]

6 hours ago, robnplunder said:

IMO, Shodai is a solid Ozeki if he can fix or overcome his poor Tachihai.  Yeah, I am talking about his head-high-walk-in starts.  Too many of his opponents exploit that.   Until Shodai does something about it, a talk of his having a Yokozuna potential is just that.  

He's never gonna fix it now. It is so obviously bad that so many coaches/shisho must have jumped down his throat about it - he just clearly does not care.

[RabidJohn 1,275]

35 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

He's never gonna fix it now. It is so obviously bad that so many coaches/shisho must have jumped down his throat about it - he just clearly does not care.

Hey, he's got to ozeki with it. Should he risk cranial impact just to get the rope? That's a choice only he should make.

Anyway, he's not the only one who tries to avoid it, just the most obvious.

[ryafuji 771]

15 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Sanyo of course, the swap likely - there was no hint about that, but I guess the heya will stay the same, same name, same oyakata instructing, just under different names and positions.

Wouldn't be the first time Miyagino did that - he swapped with the infamous Kanechika a few years ago. 

[Seiyashi 3,546]

33 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

Wouldn't be the first time Miyagino did that - he swapped with the infamous Kanechika a few years ago. 

Kind of had that position forced on him then though. One hopes it's a lot more amicable this time round. 

[Katooshu 2,477]

Three straight Tamanoi and 5 straight Sadogatake rikish (plus a Sado yobidashi) absent to start day 11.....

Tamanoi sekitori are Azumaryu and Tohakuryu (supposed to face Akua and Enho today)

Sadogatake have Kotonowaka, Kotoshoho, and Kotoeko (supposed to face Daiesho, Yutakayama, and Oho today)

Edited July 20, 2022 by Katooshu

[Katooshu 2,477]

Excellent effort by Suguro vs Asanoyama, but Asa kept his composure under Suguro's thrusts and pushed him out after a good battle. First time Asa's really had to work hard this basho.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Katooshu

[Rocks 1,750]

They're going to have to use partial records, maybe even an even record being a KK, for KK/MK purposes right? Or at least hold their rank. They can't drop 12 guys on partial records can they? That seems pretty harsh especially given those that didn't have a losing record when they had to withdraw. 

[Godango 786]

Far out man, surely they will have to seriously look at cancelling soon. I know it's a dumpster-fire, but there's almost no point continuing.

Poor Kotonowaka. I was really hoping to see him make sanyaku for September.

23 minutes ago, Rocks said:

They're going to have to use partial records, maybe even an even record being a KK, for KK/MK purposes right? Or at least hold their rank. They can't drop 12 guys on partial records can they? That seems pretty harsh especially given those that didn't have a losing record when they had to withdraw. 

You'd have to think so, right? It's all just so messy. If they'd stuck with the initial plan of "If there's a mid-basho case, we cancel" we'd at least have been in an easier position to defend banzuke freezing. 

[Gurowake 3,528]

35 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Excellent effort by Suguro vs Asanoyama, but Asa kept his composure under Suguro's thrusts and pushed him out after a good battle. First time Asa's really had to work hard this basho.

Yeah, when I saw that matchup I figured that might actually give Asanoyama a workout and we'd get to see if he's really kept on top of his training.  I haven't watched the whole of the lower divisions so I don't know who won the 5-0 match just before them, but I assume it's Daiseizan, and that should be a good test as well assuming nothing weird happens with the pairings - though with Kinbozan potentially being brought up to Juryo Day 12 (they took Takakento for Day 11) Asanoyama might be against the lowest 6-0 in Makushita instead.

[Rocks 1,750]

5 minutes ago, Godango said:

You'd have to think so, right? It's all just so messy. If they'd stuck with the initial plan of "If there's a mid-basho case, we cancel" we'd at least have been in an easier position to defend banzuke freezing. 

I'm thinking they just freeze the entire banzuke except for maybe Kinbozan for Ishiura. They finish out this basho and award Yusho and sansho but basically the banzuke doesn't change. 

[Godango 786]

1 minute ago, Rocks said:

I'm thinking they just freeze the entire banzuke except for maybe Kinbozan for Ishiura. They finish out this basho and award Yusho and sansho but basically the banzuke doesn't change. 

Could be any number of things, I'm not even going to try to predict it. Hopefully they drop some hints before the GTB deadline for Aki.

[Jakusotsu 5,007]

1 hour ago, Godango said:

Could be any number of things, I'm not even going to try to predict it. Hopefully they drop some hints before the GTB deadline for Aki.

Most important question: If I skip GTB due to covid, will I keep my rank?

[Akinomaki 35,712]

The dohyo-iri is not visibly depleted yet, I've seen no speculations about cancelling the basho in the online papers so far, not even the tabloids, and not a word on TV. I only look at Japanese sources of course.

This is a professional sports event, people have paid for their tickets and as long as the NSK can provide 50% of the bouts, they won't demand their money back. Outside pressure, government rules is what forces the NSK to act.

Slowly getting back to normal means Corona is just a normal illness now, soon only the infected ones will go kyujo, later only those too sick to step onto the dohyo, just as we are used to in sumo.

If we'll have four stables out tomorrow, including Isegehama, maybe they cancel, but they could as well go through with it till the end and only have to think about the ranks and not about refunds.

Maybe they cancel some awards and save money there as well.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Rocks 1,750]

Kinbozan vs Yoshii for Makushita yusho. If he wins that will be 3 yusho in 5 basho and is headed for Juryo. Kinbozan in Sanyaku by Nagoya 2023?

[Akinomaki 35,712]

Two fusensho in a row is a quite unusual sight, I don't remember having seen that.

[WAKATAKE 2,382]

49 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

The dohyo-iri is not visibly depleted yet, I've seen no speculations about cancelling the basho in the online papers so far, not even the tabloids, and not a word on TV. I only look at Japanese sources of course.

This is a professional sports event, people have paid for their tickets and as long as the NSK can provide 50% of the bouts, they won't demand their money back. Outside pressure, government rules is what forces the NSK to act.

Slowly getting back to normal means Corona is just a normal illness now, soon only the infected ones will go kyujo, later only those too sick to step onto the dohyo, just as we are used to in sumo.

If we'll have four stables out tomorrow, including Isegehama, maybe they cancel, but they could as well go through with it till the end and only have to think about the ranks and not about refunds.

Maybe they cancel some awards and save money there as well.

Do you think that the Monbu-sho might have something to say about what measures the JSA will have in place going forward, since this is likely to happen again?

[Seiyashi 3,546]

56 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

The dohyo-iri is not visibly depleted yet,

The torikumi is, though. The leadup to the Shōdai - Ura bout already felt padded as heck, and with more absences they'll have to stretch fewer bouts over 2 hours.

[Kaninoyama 1,338]

If Isegahama-beya gets covid, this basho will surely be toast. 

[Akinomaki 35,712]

36 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Do you think that the Monbu-sho might have something to say about what measures the JSA will have in place going forward, since this is likely to happen again?

With the new corporate status, the dependance on the monbukagakusho seems to have been changed a bit, the cabinet office as the one to grant the status has just as much say in this now.

Anyway, none of these is concerned with Corona measures, so the NSK is more or less independent now.

[sumoforever 27]

That fall from Kiribayama was one of the most acrobatic I think I've seen in the dohyo

[Seiyashi 3,546]

Really, no one feeling TNY Shōdai? 

Godawful tachiai aside, you could also say he took it and then dealt it. Endō got handled like a rag doll once he failed to finish Shōdai off.

Hōshōryū still lost to Terunofuji, but this is the closest he's been. Their next fight will be a good one.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Kaninoyama 1,338]

Good effort by Hoshoryu. Shoulda kept spinning Teru round baby right round... 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Kaninoyama

[sumojoann 1,155]

That spinning around and around and around is very common in Mongolian wrestling.  I rarely see Japanese rikishi do that.  Terunofuji did not look in control at all until the very end.

Yes, Kiribayama flying high through the air was really something to see.