Nagoya 2022

[Katooshu 3,135]

Good skills for sure, if you didn't follow sumo you wouldn't suspect he only made the top division in January after years in makushita and juryo.

Edited July 17, 2022 by Katooshu

[Amamaniac 2,078]

14 minutes ago, rhyen said:

29 minutes ago, Godango said:

Well, that was a new one. Nice knowing you, Inosuke. 

Seppuku? Or Letter?

I don't know whether to join in the long-standing face-palming when it comes to the current Shikimori Inosuke's bumbles, or to thank him richly for causing a piece of sumo history!  

That was the most amazing mess that I've ever seen (worse that the Onomatsu decision on the Asanoyama vs Tochinoshin bout in May 2019)!!  

Sumo fans will remember this fiasco for decades to come forever!!!

[Benihana 1,901]

1 minute ago, Hankegami said:

Which appears to me just as vague as "yusho or equivalent". Having your mawashi actively unfolding (notice that Shodai had to redo Wakamotoharu's mawashi knot completely) can be well called a wish to denude yourself.

We've seen far worse in the past, it's nothing uncommon. The only difference today, was how it was handled. The last instances i've seen, the sumotori were at a stand-still and the gyoji stopped them in that position to retighten the mawashi himself.

"A wish to denude yourself"...sorry, that's wrong not only one way.

[Gospodin 187]

33 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

It's not unusual, the problem came in when the gyoji then pointed to Wakamotoharu as the winner, and was initially reinforced by the head judge.....the gyoji should've been firm and told them to go straight back to the position. Instead he floundered and went along with Waka getting the victory...

That´s exactly why/where things got awry.

[Chartorenji 235]

43 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

It's not unusual, the problem came in when the gyoji then pointed to Wakamotoharu as the winner, and was initially reinforced by the head judge.....the gyoji should've been firm and told them to go straight back to the position. Instead he floundered and went along with Waka getting the victory...

the funniest part is him freezing, bringing Terunofuji to the middle like a rematch was gonna happen, and then points at Wakamotoharu's side like he won 

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Waka’s feet definitely weren’t repositioned right. I was saying it to myself at the time as they were so focused on Terunofuji’s right arm. The gyoji did a small adjustment of WMH’s left leg but not far enough. Not sure how much that impacted the result, but I’d agree they didn’t get them as close to the original position as they could have.

This is taken a second before the gyoji bursts in to stop the bout.

 

This is the restart position.

Edited July 17, 2022 by Eikokurai

[Akinomaki 39,805]

6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Waka’s feet definitely weren’t repositioned right. I was saying it to myself at the time as they were so focused on Terunofuji’s right arm. The gyoji did a small adjustment of WMH’s left leg but not far enough. Not sure how much that impacted the result, but I’d agree they didn’t get them as close to the original position as they could have.

Usually at a mawashi matta the rikishi stay in the right position, for a mizuiri the gyoji marks the position of the feet and together with the video room, the original position is restored. It was late in the day and obviously they wanted to get over with it.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Yep, the restart definitely was not a perfect match. With the ordeal to even get them started again, maybe they should've just done it all from scratch? Treat it like a standard torinaoshi and at least have someone get a start to finish win, rather than Teru winning after starting halfway into it.

As farcical as it was, I enjoyed it. Never seen something like that before!

Edited July 17, 2022 by Katooshu

[Chartorenji 235]

Haru was more on the side for sure, no clue if that would've been that big of an impact though. 

[rhyen 1,809]

What is the forum record for longest honbasho thread?

[rhyen 1,809]

It is so nice of the kyokai to post it on their YouTube channel.

 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

1 hour ago, Gospodin said:

@Kintamayama please include the repositioning in full in your digest. Terunofuji`s look was hilarious.

Done already, without it, regretfully..

[lackmaker 432]

Would think that one disadvantage of a complete redo is having a new tachiai which would help the guy with a strong one or even the henka specialist. 

[sumojoann 1,256]

On Kinta's video, the English announcer commented that the gyoji should not have stopped the bout because "there was still movement"  between the 2 rikishi.  Is that true?

The full quote was "Can't stop it there.  Terrible decision by gyoji.  There's still movement.  Can't do that."

Edited July 17, 2022 by sumojoann
To correct quotes

[Johnofuji 232]

I rang Hoshihikari and he agreed that the gyoji buggered it up. In amasumo the rules are very clear.

"The gyoji shall not order the temporary halt of a bout during offensive moves of competitors."

I'm pretty sure that they are the same in Ozumo as they are based on the Japanese rules and the main differences I've found are based on slapping to avoid ruptured ear drums and a few other safety precautions.
 

Article 27 :
When a mawashi becomes loose during a bout, the gyoji shall call out "Matta!" (Wait!) to halt the bout temporarily. Both competitors must freeze in their positions (kumite) until the bout is restarted.
The gyoji shall not order the temporary halt of a bout during offensive moves of competitors.
After tightening the mawashi and confirming with the judges that neither competitor has shifted from his/her kumite, the gyoji shall place his hands on the backs of both competitors, call out "Hikimasuyo! Hikimasuyo!" (Get ready. Get ready) and restart the bout by lightly tapping their backs and calling "Hakkeyoi!"

[Godango 956]

As bizarre as it was, there was no other option than the restart. Terunofuji listened to the gyoji and stopped, that's (as much as one can say with certainty) the only reason why he was yori-kiri'd, he put up no defence. To punish him for following gyoji instructions would have been insane.

I feel for Wakamotoharu, he put up a great fight and who knows how it may have played out if Inosuke hadn't have stopped them. 

But, to Inosuke's defence, it was a hairline call, and we'd also be giving him guff if Wakamotoharu's mawashi HAD have come off. Bit of a lose/lose.

That said, his bungling of the aftermath should be the final nail in his gyoji-tenure's coffin. Poor bloke, I feel for him, but it's time.

[rhyen 1,809]

And we also get Jason’s

 

[RabidJohn 1,665]

Unusually I feel for Inosuke here. 

Every time I've seen a bout stopped for this reason, the gyoji usually slapped both rikishi on the shoulder as well as shouting 'Matta'. Inosuke raised his hands, looking like he was about to do this, and I believe Terunofuji anticipated the call - after all, he'd have felt the mawashi come undone. Wakamotoharu, however, had his back to the gyoji and was on a mission, instantly taking advantage before Inosuke could stop him.

That's when it all went wrong. Inosuke should have just retied the mawashi, repositioned them and restarted the bout. Instead he looked kind of helplessly at Sadogatake...

[Seiyashi 4,071]

8 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Unusually I feel for Inosuke here. 

Every time I've seen a bout stopped for this reason, the gyoji usually slapped both rikishi on the shoulder as well as shouting 'Matta'. Inosuke raised his hands, looking like he was about to do this, and I believe Terunofuji anticipated the call - after all, he'd have felt the mawashi come undone. Wakamotoharu, however, had his back to the gyoji and was on a mission, instantly taking advantage before Inosuke could stop him.

That's when it all went wrong. Inosuke should have just retied the mawashi, repositioned them and restarted the bout. Instead he looked kind of helplessly at Sadogatake...

Yeah, I'm sort of with you here. Actually the immediate aftermath is still excusable and even less of Inosuke's fault, up till the mono-ii. The farce only kicks in after the call to restart from the last position and Sadogatake and Inosuke spend an eternity "resetting" the bout and getting it wrong.

Not entirely on Inosuke for this, IMO. Sadogatake also handled it very badly. 

[dcisneros 4]

IMHO, the loosen belt has provided some advantage to Waka. Teru was about to make an over arm throw some seconds before but it was not possible because of his opponent belt.

[ryafuji 807]

I'm sure some rikishi deliberately tie their mawashi loose to disadvantage their opponents. 

[lackmaker 432]

1 hour ago, Godango said:

But, to Inosuke's defence, it was a hairline call, and we'd also be giving him guff if Wakamotoharu's mawashi HAD have come off. Bit of a lose/lose.

Or maybe loose/loose

[Bakayokozuna 52]

Mitakeumi maybe/likely saved, Shodai turning things around, we might keep our ozeki crew after all. About ozeki... Takakeisho looked a bit troubled by his elbow at the end of his bout, hope there is nothing there. He has Wakamotoharu tomorrow and we just saw that one can be a tough challenge. WMH will try to get another win vs an ozeki

Wakatakakage vs Kotonowaka, Kiribayama vs Ichinojo, Abi vs Shodai. Promising bouts!

By the way, i noticed that during the dohyo iri, the guys were waiting for their names to be called before approaching the dohyo instead of direclty following the guy in front like usual, i wonder why that was requested of them.

[Akinomaki 39,805]

1 hour ago, ryafuji said:

I'm sure some rikishi deliberately tie their mawashi loose to disadvantage their opponents. 

The rikishi can tie the mawashi as they like it, loose or watered and especially tight, to make it difficult for the opponent to get a proper grip. As long as it doesn't get undone, that is no problem. In this case, after 2 minutes the loose mawashi reached the limit. Wakamotoharu likely hadn't planned for a that long bout.

[Yamanashi 3,728]

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