Nagoya 2022

[Seiyashi 4,071]

2 minutes ago, Tochinofuji said:

8 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

To be fair, ex tate yobidashi Hideo in his book also says it's dangerous, although I have no idea if he was just toeing the official line. So I don't know if it's the NSK trying to forestall lawsuits or actually trying, out of Japanese consideration, to prevent a tradition gotten out of hand. 

That being said, in law there is a concept of volenti non fit injuria - loosely he who volunteers cannot be injured - so arguably if you knew there was a risk of injury from attending the event you cannot later turn around and say you were injured from precisely the same risk. I don't know if it applies in Japan, but it certainly sounds like it would in yours, if rowdy rabble rousing hooch hurling hooligans are in regular attendance at concerts :) 

While jumping back to an aside, some Commonwealth jurisdictions have moved away from the doctrine of volenti. In Canada at least, those issues are now generally dealt with by a finding of contributory negligence, which allows for an apportionment of liability (saying, for example, you're 50% at fault for your own misfortune and so carving the damages in half). Volenti on the other hand is a complete defence. 

Agreed. Off-topic, but a lot of older common law doctrines that are "hallowed" are now being eaten away by exceptions to the point that they're artifacts and not really called on any longer. Occupier's liability - the other doctrine potentially relevant to a location-displaced Kokugikan - is also more or less done away with in favour of a pure negligence analysis in Singapore.

Also legally (or illegally XD) trained too?

[Tochinofuji 372]

Just now, Seiyashi said:

Agreed. Off-topic, but a lot of older common law doctrines that are "hallowed" are now being eaten away by exceptions to the point that they're artifacts and not really called on any longer. Occupier's liability - the other doctrine potentially relevant to a location-displaced Kokugikan - is also more or less done away with in favour of a pure negligence analysis in Singapore.

Also legally (or illegally XD) trained too?

Interesting! Occupier's liability is still going strong here, though now governed by statute rather than common law. Much in the same vein, I have an Australian friend who regularly laments as what he sees as the death of Equity. 

Legally trained, though having fled the questionable joys of personal injury litigation for the equally questionable joys of professional regulatory law.

All this does have me imagining a zabuton-based fact pattern for an exam question. If I ever teach a class I'll have to keep it in mind! 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Going to post this in the corona thread too, but Mitakeumi has now tested positive.

https://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/509556

Ichinojō tested negative for now but it's probably too soon after exposure. The hope now is that Mitakeumi only testing positive now means he wasn't contagious up till yesterday, otherwise this is going to go to hell in a handbasket pretty quickly. Then again, that also has to hold true for every other Dewanoumi rikishi because otherwise there's just going to be an outbreak via the toriteki. I really hope they pulled in time before any of them turned contagious.

I really hope the NSK remembers that it has promised to cancel a basho if an outbreak happens mid basho. Because by the time they wait for more cases to turn up, it's probably going to be too late.

Edited July 16, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Seiyashi 4,071]

8 minutes ago, Tochinofuji said:

All this does have me imagining a zabuton-based fact pattern for an exam question. If I ever teach a class I'll have to keep it in mind! 

There is a not insignificant chance that I might also wind up being able to put this in at least a tutorial fact pattern if not an exam question!

[Kurowashi 42]

I‘m hoping now for a kettei-sen between Terunofuji and Ichinojo and Ichinojo winning the yusho. In my opinion this would be the most exciting outcome for this basho :)

[Amamaniac 2,078]

1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

Will we still have Covid-enforced kyujo in 2025?

By 2025, oozumo will be entirely mechanised with robot wrestlers.  Last time I checked, robots can't get Covid. 

[Bakayokozuna 52]

In his latest video, Chris Sumo says Mitakeumi keeping his rank is an official thing. Has someone found matching informations or is he getting too fast here ?

[lackmaker 431]

40 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

By 2025, oozumo will be entirely mechanised with robot wrestlers.  Last time I checked, robots can't get Covid. 

Thought that the Endo post match interviews were already done by robot.

[Amamaniac 2,078]

2 minutes ago, lackmaker said:

Thought that the Endo post match interviews were already done by robot.

Robots have more personality than Endo!  And I am not talking about state-of-the-art robots, but those from ... let's say 40 years ago. 

[Bakayokozuna 52]

Why Kairyu is on the schedule for tomorrow ? (in makushita vs Hayatefuji) He is from Dewanoumi beya right ? I am a bit confused here

[Seiyashi 4,071]

2 minutes ago, Bakayokozuna said:

Why Kairyu is on the schedule for tomorrow ? (in makushita vs Hayatefuji) He is from Dewanoumi beya right ? I am a bit confused here

Probably going to be a fusen, especially since the lower divisions are effectively scheduled two days at a time. Mitakeumi was also on today's schedule.

[Bakayokozuna 52]

6 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Probably going to be a fusen, especially since the lower divisions are effectively scheduled two days at a time. Mitakeumi was also on today's schedule.

Oh ok! I also see Yamato down in jonidan. So yeah the "two days at a time" will bring more fusen

Thanks !

[Asashosakari 18,786]

4 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

One tricky thing about this is that Covid isn’t going anywhere, so is the Kyokai committing to this Zero Covid policy forever or does there come a point where they treat it like getting any other illness? China is asking this question a lot right now. Sumo is a microcosm of the same problem. Will we still have Covid-enforced kyujo in 2025?

Athletes are still getting taken out of competitions due to Covid everywhere in the world, it's not like the Kyokai is doing anything special here.

 

14 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

It's basically going to boil down to which way a particular player thinks the shimpan are going to go wrt Mitakeumi. 

Bold prediction: Nobody's going to have to think about it, because the Kyokai will be telling us by one hour after the banzuke-making session at the latest.

Edited July 16, 2022 by Asashosakari

[nelimw 80]

On 14/07/2022 at 14:27, nelimw said:

If Shodai does something crazy like beating Ichinojo in a few days, I'll eat a hat. (I hear hat eating is all the rage on this forum). 
 

Hat doesn’t taste great, maybe I’ll try it with hot sauce next time. Shodai is a mystery wrapped in a enigma wrapped in a conundrum. 

 

 

[robnplunder 974]

13 minutes ago, nelimw said:

Hat doesn’t taste great, maybe I’ll try it with hot sauce next time. Shodai is a mystery wrapped in a enigma wrapped in a conundrum. 

 

 

Boil in 2 liters of water for 3 hours, and add one tablespoon of snake oil, and 2 teaspoons of Paprika.  Cut it in edible pieces, and eat it with your eyes closed. This is what I will do if Ichinojo takes the yusho.   

[Yamanashi 3,724]

Need we remind you?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mexican-Hats-Candy-5-lb/361122454

 

[rhyen 1,809]

11 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

No wonder Tochinoshin dealt relatively well with it this time!

Just looked at the arasoi - if I haven't read it wrongly, if Tobizaru loses and Ichinojō wins, he'll have opened up a 2-win lead before nakabi. I'm not sure how to perform the query but it feels like it's definitely a first for a hiramaku leader, and might even be an absolute first (maybe Asashōryū or Hakuhō did better?).

Shows you the difference in a rikishi ability to deny Tochinoshin his left hand outside grip.

[Reonito 1,335]

14 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Time for Kinbozan to order his new mawashi. Given his shikona I think gold would be a good choice.

He should get one more win to make sure (I'll take 3 more, too).

[Reonito 1,335]

13 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Shimazuumi looking pretty sharp against Yago today, going straight wins since his opening two day losses. Might be someone we could see in makuuchi soon.

 

He's got only one trick—morozashi—but somehow his opponents have not worked out how to shut down his attempts to get it. I don't think it'll play higher up the banzuke...

[Reonito 1,335]

12 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

No wonder Tochinoshin dealt relatively well with it this time!

Just looked at the arasoi - if I haven't read it wrongly, if Tobizaru loses and Ichinojō wins, he'll have opened up a 2-win lead before nakabi. I'm not sure how to perform the query but it feels like it's definitely a first for a hiramaku leader, and might even be an absolute first (maybe Asashōryū or Hakuhō did better?).

Absolute: Wakanohana Haru 1998 most recently among others.

Hiramaku: Kongo Hatsu 1972,

[Akinomaki 39,770]

6 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

I really hope the NSK remembers that it has promised to cancel a basho if an outbreak happens mid basho. Because by the time they wait for more cases to turn up, it's probably going to be too late.

That was long ago, Shibatayama several basho before declared that they won't cancel anymore.

It's Shunjuen for the incident

[Reonito 1,335]

12 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

and would prevent having an unprecedented 5 sekiwake on the same banzuke,

it's not unprecedented

[Reonito 1,335]

5 hours ago, Bakayokozuna said:

In his latest video, Chris Sumo says Mitakeumi keeping his rank is an official thing. Has someone found matching informations or is he getting too fast here ?

Love a lot of his work, but he says a lot of things with unwarranted certainty

Edited July 16, 2022 by Reonito

[Bakayokozuna 52]

19 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Love a lot of his work, but he says a lot of things with unwarranted certainty

Yep. I can't find anything confirming his statement so far

[Reonito 1,335]

29 minutes ago, Bakayokozuna said:

Yep. I can't find anything confirming his statement so far

He says "newspapers have been unofficially informed" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯