Nagoya 2022

[Gurowake 3,486]

36 minutes ago, nelimw said:

Like an announcement on the intercoms? I haven't noticed in the broadcasts. 

Yes, there's always an announcement over the PA that the zabuton should not be thrown whenever there are any being thrown.

[nelimw 65]

10 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Yes, there's always an announcement over the PA that the zabuton should not be thrown whenever there are any being thrown.

Oh cool I didn't know that. To me that makes zabuton throwing even more entertaining. 

[Akinomaki 34,957]

38 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

1 hour ago, nelimw said:

Like an announcement on the intercoms? I haven't noticed in the broadcasts. 

Yes, there's always an announcement over the PA that the zabuton should not be thrown whenever there are any being thrown.

The gyoji hall announcer does that, or did in the past. There was none for the zabuton for Ichinojo - one landed on the dohyo, spectators got another on the head. In the break after the dohyo-iri it is always announced, after the now long list of Corona rules - sometimes one can hear it on Abema, I think also in the makuuchi mid break (in the past they did), but one has to be lucky to catch that on a broadcast.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Seiyashi 3,463]

Yep, can confirm that it's in the announcements after the makuuchi dohyō-iri. And it was definitely repeated, at least in the days before the pandemic. Both Abema and NHK switch out audio during that part for their own commentary, though. 

[Gospodin 164]

Any reason whyy they are so keen on that ?

 

[Katooshu 2,402]

I'd forgotten about Ichi going 14-1 in 2019 - sucks to be a Hak contemporary.

There's not much indication from his record that he has a tendency to collapse as a tournament progresses. He actually seems to have a fire for winning this basho and I think it's looking good for him right now. I'm rooting for the giant  

Edited July 15, 2022 by Katooshu

[Kuhne 46]

Definitely if there’s something that can save this basho it would be ichi winning 

[Benevolance 2,271]

Those announcers can stuff it. I always throw whatever I'm sitting on at the TV for a kinboshi. 

[Chartorenji 161]

50 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

I'd forgotten about Ichi going 14-1 in 2019 - sucks to be a Hak contemporary.

There's not much indication from his record that he has a tendency to collapse as a tournament progresses. He actually seems to have a fire for winning this basho and I think it's looking good for him right now. I'm rooting for the giant  

main concern funny enough is Shodai, who always randomly does good against those in leading positions 

[Seiyashi 3,463]

2 hours ago, Gospodin said:

Any reason whyy they are so keen on that ?

 

On the announcements? Because thrown zabuton are dangerous and a potential lawsuit, so at least the NSK needs to do something to show that it discourages the practice even if it can't entirely stop it pre COVID. 

[dada78641 853]

You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby

[Katooshu 2,402]

[Yamanashi 2,972]

2 hours ago, Chartorenji said:

There's not much indication from his record that he has a tendency to collapse as a tournament progresses.

I'll say!  My preconception was that he tired as the basho continued.  However, a look at his last ten basho (since re-entering Makuuchi after his last injury) shows:

Total wins over ten basho: 81

Wins in first five days: 27

Wins in second five days: 27

Win in last five days: 27.

Edited July 16, 2022 by Yamanashi

[Seiyashi 3,463]

5 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

2 hours ago, Chartorenji said:

There's not much indication from his record that he has a tendency to collapse as a tournament progresses.

I'll say!  My preconception was that he tired as the basho continued.  However, a look at his last ten basho (since re-entering Makuuchi after his last injury) shows:

Total wins over ten basho: 81

Wins in first five days: 27

Wins in second five days: 27

Win in last five days: 27.

Going by his DB, he has no problem staying hot into a basho's closing days. His problem, not helped by back issues, is getting hot in the first place. If he can maintain or improve his current weight, I'd be fairly interested to see a possible ōzeki run for him; it's an extremely long shot but might buy some time for ozumo narratively while the young ones get themselves established. 

[Yamanashi 2,972]

5 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Going by his DB, he has no problem staying hot into a basho's closing days. His problem, not helped by back issues, is getting hot in the first place. If he can maintain or improve his current weight, I'd be fairly interested to see a possible ōzeki run for him; it's an extremely long shot but might buy some time for ozumo narratively while the young ones get themselves established. 

When I did a study of rikishi who made it to Sekiwake (modern era), there were a ton of them -- many shot to sanyaku, then everybody figured out their schtick and they ended up as mid-Maegashira regulars.  Terunofuji was not like this: he was the real deal, but injury halted his rise. 

I'm beginning to wonder about Ichinojo.  Is his back like Terunofuji's knees/diabetes?

[Inside Sport Japan 680]

There has been a coronavirus positive test result in Dewanoumi Beya.

Every rikishi from the stable including kadoban ozeki Mitakeumi is out of the tournament starting today.

The judging department is currently considering the situation and no decision has yet been made on whether or not he will lose his rank.

[Bakayokozuna 39]

Its covid related so I would personally protect the rank and let him try to escape kadoban in september

If so maybe Shodai will try to get covid 

[Katooshu 2,402]

Hmmm.....Mita may have gotten lucky. Interesting to see what happens.

Edited July 16, 2022 by Katooshu

[Reonito 690]

The next round of GTB will be interesting.

[Rocks 1,731]

Mitakeumi  is out. 

[Seiyashi 3,463]

1 hour ago, Reonito said:

The next round of GTB will be interesting.

But not subtle. It's basically going to boil down to which way a particular player thinks the shimpan are going to go wrt Mitakeumi. 

Also, if the lower sanyaku again manage to hold serve, it'll just be two points difference for Mitakeumi himself. Only if the sekiwake have to be changed will there be a potential mess in the joi. 

But even before then, let's hope the outbreak is confined to Dewanoumi. If it ripples through the rest of the banzuke via Mitakeumi and his opponents, GTB is the least of our worries. 

Edited July 16, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Gurowake 3,486]

I can't imagine they'd do anything but give Mitakeumi another chance.  With everyone else that's out you might be able to just move them based on their record so far, but Ozeki demotion is a much bigger deal than a few ranks much further down the banzuke.  At least, not moving them based on their record so far wouldn't be very fair to the guys who have winning records (and with exactly 3 rounds gone and 4 to go in the lower divisions, treating everyone as finishing 2-2 is pretty simple), and at the same time it wouldn't be very fair to Mitakeumi to not have the chance to fight back to a winning record with so much on the line.  Maybe they'll require he finish 9-6 to clear kadoban.  That would mean his losses this tournament weren't completely forgiven, and works out to a winning record overall between the two.

Here's a list of the affected rikishi and their banzuke rank: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=202207&heya=9&shusshin=-1

I wonder what they'll do with Kiyota.  Didn't start the tournament, and given he was absent last basho probably wouldn't enter later, but now has no chance to.  Regardless of how they treat everyone else, he could end up having something different done for him. 

Edited July 16, 2022 by Gurowake

[Gospodin 164]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

On the announcements? Because thrown zabuton are dangerous and a potential lawsuit, so at least the NSK needs to do something to show that it discourages the practice even if it can't entirely stop it pre COVID. 

A really different culture [remembering a dozen concerts/games where I´ve been hit by full beer cups ;-)]

[Seiyashi 3,463]

15 minutes ago, Gospodin said:

A really different culture [remembering a dozen concerts/games where I´ve been hit by full beer cups ;-)]

To be fair, ex tate yobidashi Hideo in his book also says it's dangerous, although I have no idea if he was just toeing the official line. So I don't know if it's the NSK trying to forestall lawsuits or actually trying, out of Japanese consideration, to prevent a tradition gotten out of hand. 

That being said, in law there is a concept of volenti non fit injuria - loosely he who volunteers cannot be injured - so arguably if you knew there was a risk of injury from attending the event you cannot later turn around and say you were injured from precisely the same risk. I don't know if it applies in Japan, but it certainly sounds like it would in yours, if rowdy rabble rousing hooch hurling hooligans are in regular attendance at concerts :) 

[Gurowake 3,486]

20 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

That being said, in law there is a concept of volenti non fit injuria - loosely he who volunteers cannot be injured - so arguably if you knew there was a risk of injury from attending the event you cannot later turn around and say you were injured from precisely the same risk.

That really only applies for things like getting hit with a baseball.  The ball flying at high speeds and in random directions is an inherent part of the game, and while they have nets in some places, they can't cover the entire field, so you need to pay attention if you're not behind one of those nets.  Throwing zabuton is not an inherent part of sumo.  Well, not really.