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Haru 2022 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS!)

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18 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

I'll be honest, I still don't get how it's relevant to the original comment that the East shitakubeya had a horrendous losing streak of 7, with their last winner being Onosho in the 9th-last bout of the day.

Ah, sorry, I misread your post.  My assumption was that Onosho won, then had to stand dohyo-side for seven bouts.  But, of course, ranked as high as he was, he couldn't have been at the front end of that streak.  So, another brick in the wall of advancing dementia. (Weeping...)

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You know you are in trouble, when even Ura starts bossing you around. On the one hand Shodai is Ozeki by accident, should never have been there. On the other hand, i feel so deeply sorry for that poor lad.

The sumo we've seen so far, seems nothing really outstanding for me. Since SumoDB is down at the moment, i can't look up, when we had only 2 guys at 4-0 for the last time after day 4.

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25 minutes ago, Benihana said:

when we had only 2 guys at 4-0 for the last time after day 4.

Thanks to Naganoyama's Sekitori Leaderboards, Haru 2021, this time last year (Terunofuji/Myogiryu). And before that, Aki 2020 (Tobizaru, Onosho), and Kyushu 2019 (Shodai, Wakatakakage).

However, Natsu 2021 had only Terunofuji at 4-0 on day 4.

As another point of trivia, the sekitori leaderboard is perfectly normally distributed at this point, with 2-11-16-11-2 results. It was also perfectly distributed on day 2 (other than day 1, which is a trivial case) with 10-22-10. Day 2 of Haru 2021 was also perfectly distributed, but other than that I can't see any basho where there is such a pattern in the past year or so.

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9 hours ago, Leo C said:

Ura irish whipping out of the dohyo was funny, albeit a little sad.

 

7 hours ago, Rocks said:

 

Mitakeumi has the luck of the Irish this basho. I wonder if it will hold out?

 

I'm not familiar with the land of the Irish people (never been there). Care to explain? 

(Iamgoingoff-topic...)

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Nodowa seems to become more popular, but at least - it seems - in its original purpose of old, putting the opponent in an upright position, and not as a kind of throat punch.

OTOH  I´d really like to see a rikishi developing a technically sound K(ai)otenage. Or have we been spoiled here ?

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2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

As another point of trivia, the sekitori leaderboard is perfectly normally distributed at this point, with 2-11-16-11-2 results.

I don't know if you intended this, because I think you meant symmetrical distribution,  but it's actually about as good as it gets for a pure binomial distribution of 42 results of 4 trials of equal probability.  The extreme values should really be 2.625, which is closer to 3, but the other values would be 10.5 and 15.75.  I suppose that it would be "better" as 3-10-16-10-3 then, but it's still pretty close.

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7 hours ago, Iwayama said:

I feel like developing some form of yotsu-zumo could be the factor that gets Abi to Ozeki. 

I've heard he's working on it. At any rate, he seems to have more of a repertoire backup moves than his exclusively oshi counterpart Takakeisho, who, when oshi fails, is just as good as lost these days. 

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1 hour ago, Kaninoyama said:

I've heard he's working on it. At any rate, he seems to have more of a repertoire backup moves than his exclusively oshi counterpart Takakeisho, who, when oshi fails, is just as good as lost these days. 

Takakeisho leaning into Ichinojo and intentionally grabbing his mawashi has to be destined for top 5 weirdest happenings in sumo 2022.

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4 hours ago, hakutorizakura said:

 

 

I'm not familiar with the land of the Irish people (never been there). Care to explain? 

(Iamgoingoff-topic...)

An Irish Whip is a pro wrestling move where one grabs their opponent by the wrist and shoves them into the ropes or the corner. Usually people point it out as a particularly phony looking move, but Ura proved it has some use in a shoot given your opponent has basically given up on life.

I think it's called an "Irish" Whip because an Irish-American from Boston started doing it in the 50s. I have also never been to Ireland.

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2022 MARCH (HARU) SUMO BASHO LINKS AND STATISTICS BLOG--DAY 4, MARCH 16, COMPLETE

Links to NHK videos of Yokozuna and all Ozeki matches (with a bit more of the pre-match stuff than before), photos from nikkansports, results, match articles from Kyodo News, Tachiai.org, and nikkan sports, Kimarite and time statistics, Top rank performance, maegashira v san-yaku, and more.

Today a link  to a short video that traces the making of Ura's Mawashi. It's an NHK short, part of its Sumopedia, but pretty cool, for those who might not have seen it.

 

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Takayasu is looking strong and alert, starting 5-0, though in his last appearance he opened 4-1 and finished 6-9. That said, his fade in November was partly because he met the sanyaku in week two. This basho they don't seem like much of a threat, if he even faces them at all.

Abi seems determined to become the next Ozeki, showing good ability to turn a retreat into a win today. He's clearly a changed man. I wonder if he gets double-digits this time while showing good sumo whether the Kyokai will feel he's done enough penance for his previous sins and be willing to reward him with a 'premature' promotion if he repeats the feat in May. That would be four DDs in a row in Makuuchi.

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4 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Takayasu is looking strong and alert, starting 5-0, though in his last appearance he opened 4-1 and finished 6-9. That said, his fade in November was partly because he met the sanyaku in week two. This basho they don't seem like much of a threat, if he even faces them at all.

I agree to some extent but I thought today's win over Takarafuji looked really bad. It's easy to look strong when your opponent just falls over.

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Good win for Daieisho. With this guy you know exactly what to expect but that doesn't mean you can do a damn thing about it.

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Impressive debut by the Shin-Sekiwake pair:

Abi with another narrow escape with fancy footwork at the edge of the dohyo: 4-1 with Hoshoryu tomorrow.

Wakatakakage also mighty impressive with a decisive win over Hoshoryu. 4-1.

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And Mitakeumi finally bags a loss.

Takayasu sole leader.

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1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

Mitakeumi finally bags a loss.

His facial expression when Kiribayama got to the belt was priceless... "Oh sh*t, I'm in bother now, what was Plan B again?"

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8 hours ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

Takakeisho leaning into Ichinojo and intentionally grabbing his mawashi has to be destined for top 5 weirdest happenings in sumo 2022.

Looked like he was caught somewhat by surprise by Ichinojo´s big hug.

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Second loss for the Yokozuna. Already shaping up to be an interesting basho. 

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Terunofuji drops another. Withdrawal on the horizon?

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11 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

His facial expression when Kiribayama got to the belt was priceless... "Oh sh*t, I'm in bother now, what was Plan B again?"

I sensed he was wary of some kind of hineri move.

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Okay, just to provoke a conversation, consider the prospect of Mitakeumi winning this yusho, his second in a row and fourth overall. What are the prospects of an early rope? Obviously, this would involve some precedent setting (I assume, will check) since he’d pass through Ozeki in one tournament, but could three Sekiwake yusho in the past be enough to back up one Ozeki yusho and justify a promotion? I think it’s highly unlikely, but it’s an intriguing plot line. 

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3 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Okay, just to provoke a conversation, consider the prospect of Mitakeumi winning this yusho, his second in a row and fourth overall. What are the prospects of an early rope? Obviously, this would involve some precedent setting (I assume, will check) since he’d pass through Ozeki in one tournament, but could three Sekiwake yusho in the past be enough to back up one Ozeki yusho and justify a promotion? I think it’s highly unlikely, but it’s an intriguing plot line. 

Unlike other ranks, there is never a NEED to have two yokozuna (or even one), so there is never a need to give an unprecedented promotion to yokozuna by an ozeki with only one basho at the rank of ozeki, regardless of his previous streak of good performances. Not worth talking about as a hypothetical until it actually happens (i.e. never, presumably).

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