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21 minutes ago, nelimw said:

So what are the chances that Shodai pulls out and shoots for 10 wins next tournament? I cant see him beating a 0-3 Ura.

Also, kinda surprised that Endo and Ishiura have never faced each other before. Unfortunately, we won't get to see it tomorrow either. 

Since there are no reports or visible signs he is injured, he has nothing to lose by staying in and trying to grind out his 8 wins.

We've seen kadoban Ozeki get off to similarly terrible starts before and somehow manage to pull out a kachikoshi. So as grim as things look I'm not ready to give up on Shodai just yet. 

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From Nikkansports: (Translated by Google--best I can do but will link to the Japanese below).

Ishiura is closed Cervical spondylotic radiculopathy In the Kotonowaka battle on the third day, he fell to the bottom of the ring and could not move for a while.
[March 16, 2022 11:19]

Ishiura (32 = Miyagino), the fifth piece of the western front, told the Japan Sumo Association on the 16th of the 4th day of the spring, "It takes about 2 weeks of rest treatment due to exacerbation of cervical radiculopathy." I submitted my medical certificate and was closed.

There was a scene where he fell to the bottom of the ring in the Kotonowaka match, which suffered his second defeat on the third day, and could not move for a while. I crouched for several tens of seconds and couldn't stand up, and the guards gathered and the venue was noisy. Eventually he stood up on his own and pulled up the flower path with his face slightly distorted, without borrowing the shoulders of his uchideshi.

This is the fourth time that the Miyagino stable has been closed since the fall of last year when a new coronavirus infected person appeared.

Endo, the opponent on the 4th day, won the match. It was the first time for me to be closed at more than 10 cars in the current location.

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18 hours ago, since_94 said:

Ura vs Terunofuji should have been a torinaoshi, based on all the shitty camera angles I was privy to courtesy of Abema. Not a damn thing to see on the replays with everything blocked by the gyoji, but looked too close to all in real time. Why the rush to wrap up? Was the news coming on or something?

Thought so too, usually this would be a torinaoshi but I guess there's such a thing as yokozuna privilege. 

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To paraphrase the rules of baseball, "the tie goes to the Yokozuna."

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2022 MARCH (HARU) SUMO BASHO LINKS AND STATISTICS BLOG--DAY 3, MARCH 15, COMPLETE

Links to NHK videos of Yokozuna and all Ozeki matches (with a bit more of the pre-match stuff than before), photos from nikkansports, results, match articles from Kyodo News, Tachiai.org, and nikkan sports, Kimarite and time statistics, Top rank performance, maegashira v san-yaku, and more.

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1 hour ago, jsolo said:

From Nikkansports: (Translated by Google--best I can do but will link to the Japanese below).

(Iamgoingoff-topic...)FYI, I find deepl.com does a much better job translating when you're in doubt:

Ishiura (32=Miyagino), ranked fifth west Maegashira, took a leave of absence on the fourth day of the Spring Tournament (16th) after submitting a medical report to the Japan Sumo Association stating that he required about two weeks of rest and treatment due to exacerbation of Cervical Radiculopathy.

On the third day, he fell to the ground below the ring against Kotonowaka, his second loss, and was motionless for some time. He remained frozen for a period of seconds and was unable to get up, causing a commotion in the hall as security guards gathered around him. Eventually, he got up on his own and, without the help of an attendant, pulled himself up the aisle with his face slightly contorted.

This was his fourth absence from the tournament since last autumn, when there was a case of new coronavirus infection in the Miyagino stable.

His opponent on the fourth day, Endo, was unbeaten. This is the first time a juryo or higher rank wrestler is absent from this tournament.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

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1 minute ago, Kaninoyama said:

Shodai has completely lost his mojo. 

Sad.  I am shocked that Ura handled him so easily.

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The last few bouts were so bad for the east side that there's no kachinanori. Instead one of Terunofuji's tsukebito has to go Roman to offer him the chikara mizu.

EDIT: Last winner from the east was Onosho, 7 bouts ago.

Edited by Seiyashi

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It's a good sign for Abi that despite Meisei quickly getting inside and preventing him from doing his patented tsuppari, he was able to react instantly with a strong outside-the-box kotenage. 

Now 3-1 and right back in the thick of things, his Day 1 loss feeling like a blip on the radar. 

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5 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Since there are no reports or visible signs he is injured, he has nothing to lose by staying in and trying to grind out his 8 wins.

We've seen kadoban Ozeki get off to similarly terrible starts before and somehow manage to pull out a kachikoshi. So as grim as things look I'm not ready to give up on Shodai just yet. 

I gave up on him on day 3 and I guess you will so soon as well. He might go on till the end though and not even pull out after a makekoshi. I'm sure though that Takakeisho will get the 8, only the tabloids have the same speculations as on the forum about double drops so far

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15 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:
6 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Since there are no reports or visible signs he is injured, he has nothing to lose by staying in and trying to grind out his 8 wins.

We've seen kadoban Ozeki get off to similarly terrible starts before and somehow manage to pull out a kachikoshi. So as grim as things look I'm not ready to give up on Shodai just yet. 

I gave up on him on day 3 and I guess you will so soon as well. He might go on till the end though and not even pull out after a makekoshi. I'm sure though that Takakeisho will get the 8, only the tabloids have the same speculations as on the forum about double drops so far

Takakeisho is 2-2 and looking reasonable, so I agree he'll also clear kadoban with a minimum of fuss. He's started kadoban basho worse than this before - he started 2021 Aki 0-3 but still cleared kadoban by day 12.

Shodai is full gone, though. I remember digging up the DB (in 404 heaven now) for this, but basically the ozeki that started a basho 0-3 or 0-4 weren't long for the rank or even for sumo. And he definitely doesn't look like he's raring to overturn that record.

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Posted (edited)

Shodai is getting embarrassed, his opponents are just toying with him at this point... Hard to watch

Also seeing people clap when Shishi's Ukrainian shusshin was announced was quite heartwarming. 

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I've been too busy this week to pay close attention to the basho, but on a personal note, I realized today is exactly 15 years since I got into sumo. March 16th 2007 was the date I went to the Haru basho, spending all day wandering about backstage, sitting down front for the toriteki bouts, before going up the balcony for the sekitori divisions. Good times. Hope to make it back to a basho in person one day!

As for what I’ve seen, Shodai looks clueless, Daieisho looks good even when losing, Mitakeumi solid and looking the man to beat, Takayasu not overwhelming but winning well nonetheless, Nishikigi hopefully going to stay in Makuuchi as I have soft spot for him for some reason, and Ura holding his own so far in the joi. Yusho not clearly going to anyone at the moment though.

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Ura irish whipping out of the dohyo was funny, albeit a little sad.

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Underrated development of this basho: the veteran joi makushita gatekeepers are thoroughly sticking it to the highly rated new generation, defying lots of people's expectations.

It's a global phenomenon. The likes of Tsushimanada, Tochimaru, Chiyonoumi, Chiyoarashi post-injury Akiseyama and even good ol' Shiden have won out the first couple of rounds against the likes of Kanno, Nishikawa, Hokuseiho, Oshoma, Fukai, Fujiseiun and a post-injury Tomokaze. We have to look all the way down to ms14 to find Osanai as the first future hope with a 2-0.

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Shodai losing to a 0-3 Ura and Ura doesn't even need  a trick? Come on man. Get it together. 

Mitakeumi has the luck of the Irish this basho. I wonder if it will hold out?

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It was a sad bad day for Team Hakuho.  Both Hokuseiho and Enho lost their bouts in Makushita and Juryo respectively.  #jinxes are a thing

And Makuuchi rep Ishiura withdrew with a pinched nerve in his neck. What that will mean for his future remains to be seen.  After all, what is a sumo wrestler without a strong neck?  (Answer, a sumo wrestler without a tachiai, or a sumo wrestler afraid to charge head first.)

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10 hours ago, jsolo said:

fifth piece of the western front

Interesting way to say Maegashira 5w :-P

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1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

Underrated development of this basho: the veteran joi makushita gatekeepers are thoroughly sticking it to the highly rated new generation, defying lots of people's expectations.

If it's a contest between "now or never" and "all the time in the world" I know where my money's going.

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6 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

It's a good sign for Abi that despite Meisei quickly getting inside and preventing him from doing his patented tsuppari, he was able to react instantly with a strong outside-the-box kotenage. 

Now 3-1 and right back in the thick of things, his Day 1 loss feeling like a blip on the radar. 

I feel like developing some form of yotsu-zumo could be the factor that gets Abi to Ozeki. 

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8 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Last winner from the east was Onosho, 7 bouts ago.

Let me guess: the first three he had no problem with, then ran out of gas and dropped the ladle on the last one.  Stamina, man, he needs stamina.

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8 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Let me guess: the first three he had no problem with, then ran out of gas and dropped the ladle on the last one.  Stamina, man, he needs stamina.

Huh? Isn't Onosho 2/2?

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4 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Huh? Isn't Onosho 2/2?

Here's the (labored) joke: the Tadpoles have to win fast, or they run out of gas and get clobbered because of a lack of stamina (e.g. Takakeisho, Onosho, often said of Mitakeumi). 

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1 minute ago, Yamanashi said:

Here's the (labored) joke: the Tadpoles have to win fast, or they run out of gas and get clobbered because of a lack of stamina (e.g. Takakeisho, Onosho, often said of Mitakeumi). 

I'll be honest, I still don't get how it's relevant to the original comment that the East shitakubeya had a horrendous losing streak of 7, with their last winner being Onosho in the 9th-last bout of the day.

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