Haru 2022 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS!)

[Yamanashi 3,796]

1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

I would type with macrons, but the forum only takes altcodes up to 256, and as accurate as long vowels are they look a bit wrong with the doubled word length. I know, I know... 

Actually, hold up: I wonder if my keyboard can be programmed to do something about this... 

I did it on a Mac by simply holding down on the key until the options popped up.

[Kintamayama 44,864]

5 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Ōnōsho mentioned that just the other day, I think.

Not all of us have the privilege of having keyboards that produce those worms, sir. In any case, that is good enough and explains the difference well. Except you got it wrong- no worm on the second o. Should be on the last one. Ounoshou. Much simpler and avoids mistakes like the one you made..

[Yamanashi 3,796]

Just now, Kintamayama said:

Not all of us have the privilege of having keyboards that produce those worms, sir. In any case, that is good enough and explains the difference well. Except you got it wrong- no worm on the second o. Should be on the last one. Ounoshou. Much simpler and avoids mistakes like the one you made..

I checked back with Ōnoshō.  He agrees with you, and apologizes for his mistake.  He also wants to know if that vowel is the same as in the Canadian word abōt.

[Kintamayama 44,864]

2 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

I checked back with Ōnoshō.  He agrees with you, and apologizes for his mistake.  He also wants to know if that vowel is the same as in the Canadian word abōt.

Almost..

[Seiyashi 4,072]

Interesting workaround for those on Windows: Install Māori as a language and keyboard layout, and the top left tilde becomes a dead key you can use to modify Os with macrons - in other words: press the top left tilde key (left of 1) and it won't input anything, but it will modify the next eligible letter pressed with a macron.

Ōhō, Takakeishō, Ōnoshō, Kōtokuzan, Kotoshōgiku, and so forth.

I'm happy. Considering I toggle between two other languages already (WinKey + Space allows you to toggle languages on Windows 10), adding Māori to type on SF with is no hardship. And I don't think it screws up text recognition, since Māori largely runs on Latin characters anyway.

It does mean you actually need to learn and memorise which shikona Os are long and short, though, as Yamanashi found out. That was the only merit of simplified Hepburn - it got you out of that particular mess, especially if you didn't read kanji/kana on a regular basis, at the risk of being an inaccurate transcription.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Tigerboy1966 1,428]

You can always copy and paste an "ō".

[Seiyashi 4,072]

1 minute ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

You can always copy and paste an "ō".

With Windows Character Map, sure, but still. I don't know about you, but switching a keyboard layout once at the start of posting and learning a new key combo feels to me a lot faster than having to switch windows/tabs to copypaste the correct character every time you want to do it.

[Asojima 2,873]

90% of those living outside Japan only talk to themselves when discussing sumo.  They really don't care how the shikona is really pronounced.  All of those "U''s and diacritical marks are very distracting.  

[Godango 973]

If this hasn't been a poll already it really should. 

For what it's worth, as soon as I (a relative forum newb of 2.5-ish years) understood why Moti was using the u's, it absolutely made sense and is the best most logical way of Romanising shikonae. 

That said, I am also too weak to join his movement and have entrenched myself in the status quo.

[Kintamayama 44,864]

36 minutes ago, Asojima said:

90% of those living outside Japan only talk to themselves when discussing sumo.  They really don't care how the shikona is really pronounced.  All of those "U''s and diacritical marks are very distracting.  

I care. I see it as  disrespectful, no less, Asoujima.. 

[dingo 1,235]

Time to rename the thread Haru 2022 shikona spelling discussion? 

[Yarimotsu 554]

15 minutes ago, dingo said:

Time to rename the thread Haru 2022 shikona spelling discussion? 

Absolutely, and I'm here to stand resolutely against the status quo for no particular reason

[Yamanashi 3,796]

4 hours ago, Asojima said:

90% of those living outside Japan only talk to themselves when discussing sumo.  They really don't care how the shikona is really pronounced.  All of those "U''s and diacritical marks are very distracting.  

My only gripe is that it just as readily reads as "Ow - no- sh ow".  Now that I'm used to it, there isn't much problem; but without the diacriticals, it will always be arbitrary (and probably with them, too).

[Eikokurai 3,437]

8 hours ago, Benevolance said:

Poor Aoiyama. But I dare you to find a rikishi vs Hakuho not named Harumafuji or Kisenosato that would be considered fair odds during Hak's reign. I remember very heated* discussions on the forums as to whether Kise was 'good' or 'bad' based on the fact that he won about 1 in 3 or 4 times vs Hakuho, and he had the second best record against the daiyokozuna. 

Everyone sucked against Hakuho, and there are guys who lost more times to him, but usually with at least one actual win. I think Aoiyama has the worst record from the highest number of bouts, if that makes sense. He was pure cannon fodder. Every time he faced Hakuho you could see in his face he was going through the motions knowing his job was to flop on the ground as quickly as possible.

[Kaninoyama 1,724]

36 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

My only gripe is that it just as readily reads as "Ow - no- sh ow".  Now that I'm used to it, there isn't much problem; but without the diacriticals, it will always be arbitrary (and probably with them, too).

If it makes anyone feel better, each of the many times I have watched sumo with my 90-year-old Japanese great aunt in law and Onosho's name comes up on the screen in kanji, she asks me how to read it. 

Every single time.

 

[Fujisan 532]

6 hours ago, Asojima said:

90% of those living outside Japan only talk to themselves when discussing sumo.  They really don't care how the shikona is really pronounced.  All of those "U''s and diacritical marks are very distracting.  

I talk to myself all day about everything,I'm currently debating with myself whether I'm mad or just lonely.

[Jakusotsu 5,894]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

But no one knows Koutokuzan unless it's written that way.

Problem is, no one knows Koutokuzan either...

[Asojima 2,873]

While we are beating this dead horse, what we really need are indicators on which syllable(s) should be emphasized.  When I talk to myself, I ALWAYS emphasize the penultimate syllable.  It works well for me except for NishiKIgi.  On the rare instances that I turn up my volume, I notice that some of the commentators seem to be confused about this.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Asojima

[Yarimotsu 554]

Saw something I didn't know could happen: Atamifuji's win was redacted by mono-ii while the gyoji was calling his name as the winner. The shimpan signalled very late for a mono-ii, and I had assumed (apparently incorrectly) that if someone was declared the winner, they had passed the time for discussions. 

As it now stands, that mono-ii has eliminated me from first place in chain gang, so I'm a little annoyed (but I'll get over it shortly)

[jsolo 106]

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2022 MARCH (HARU) SUMO BASHO LINKS AND STATISTICS BLOG--DAY 8, MARCH 20, COMPLETE

Links to NHK videos of Yokozuna and all Ozeki matches (with a bit more of the pre-match stuff than before), photos from nikkansports, results, match articles from Kyodo News, Tachiai.org, and nikkan sports, Kimarite and time statistics, Top rank performance, maegashira v san-yaku, and more.

Enjoy

[WAKATAKE 2,650]

So Takayasu will finally get sanyaku action on day 10. Wondering how they are going to factor him in with the sekiwake and ozeki?

[Hankegami 454]

21 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

So Takayasu will finally get sanyaku action on day 10. Wondering how they are going to factor him in with the sekiwake and ozeki?

I am surprised once again: a Komusubi already? Poor M4 guys, always sidelined. Kotonowaka is similarly paired with M1 Daieisho.

Nevertheless, they cannot just go up this time.  Abi's Hatsu schedule was Day 10 - M4, Day 11 - M2, Day 12 - Sk, Day 13 Sk, Day 14 Y. Without a M4 buffer, I think Takayasu will face a M1 (perhaps Daieisho) on Day 11 and pass to both Sekiwake on Day 12-13 before getting his Ozeki (Mitakeumi, probably). Kotonowaka will get a similar treatment if he keeps winning.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Hankegami

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Nishikigi moves to 6-3. I'm willing him over the line. Guy hasn't had a Makuuchi kachikoshi since November 2018!

On the topic of guys who can't KK in the top division, Kagayaki (4-5) just lost to a great sukuinage by Kotoeko with his back to the bails.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Eikokurai

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Aoiyama put up much more resistance than I was expecting there, but I think once it went over 10 seconds it was Takayasu's to lose. 9-0.

Kotonowaka stays in the hunting pack and gets his KK. 8-1.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Eikokurai

[Kaninoyama 1,724]

Kotonowaka following up 11-4 last basho with 8-1 midway through this one.