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Ya, I agree. Mukainakano is a very good prospect and should reach juryo within the next year or two, but I doubt Raiho will get past makushita. That said, several of Hak's guys have done better than I expected, so who knows.

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17 minutes ago, Chartorenji said:

Think Mukainakano is a lock for Sekitori, Raiho I'm not 100% on due to size and the lack of watch time in my end. Will wait to see him in Makushita before a full-fledged opinion. 

Conservatively I think Raihō will at least make jūryō. He's better than Enhō in not being as reliant on that submarine tachiai and shitatedashinage, and seems to already have some knowledge of judo techniques, so he's more well-rounded in that respect, but he didn't make the same storming entrance into sumo that Enhō did. Agreed that size is still a bit of a problem, especially as he's a rather mature entrant and can't be expected to pack on the pounds much more, and the real test for him is in makushita.

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He didn't make a dent in openweight sumo in college, just makes me hesitant to predict him ever reaching sekitorihood. There are lots of skilled little guys out there like him who look flashy against limited opposition but just can't pull it off vs bigger and better guys. I think he's more of that type than an Enho, Ura, or Midorifuji, all of whom significantly outperformed him in the amateurs as well.

As I said though, many of Hak's prospects go to a new level, so you might end up being right.

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Natsu 2022, Final

Of note, Kototebakari takes the Jonidan yusho in a playoff with fellow Wall debutante Hanafusa after winning the Jonikuchi yusho last basho.  

Ms4e Kinbozan: 5-2 (4 KK, 24-4)

Ms32w Mukainakano: 5-2 (6 KK, 29-6-7)*

Ms47e Kiryuko: 4-3 (6 KK, 31-11)

Ms54e Nobehara: 6-1 (6 KK, 32-10)

new Ms59e Kanzaki; 6-1 (2 KK, 13-1)

Ms59w Suguro: 0-0-7 (3 KK, 15-4-9)

Ms60e Miyagi: 3-4 (5 KK, 29-13)

Sd42e Raiho: 6-1 (4 KK 23-5-7)*

new Sd65w Hatsuyama: 6-1 (2 KK, 11-3)

new Jd21e Kototebakari: 7-0 (2 KK, 14-0)

new Jd21w Kotokenryu: 6-1 (2 KK, 13-1)

new Jd42w Daiseizan: 6-1 (2 KK, 12-2)

new Jd43e Wakanosho: 6-1 (2 KK, 12-2)

Jd48w Aoifuji: 2-5 (2 KK, 11-10)

new Jd72e Hanafusa: 7-0 (2 KK, 12-2)

new Jd74e Satsumasho: 6-1 (2 KK, 11-3)

new Jd80w Toseiryu: 6-1 (2 KK, 10-4)

 

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On 02/04/2022 at 10:17, Ack! said:

It's been a while since we've had any honorable mentions among former Wallees.  I think there are a few candidates, if not worthy after Haru, would certainly be with another KK, so are worthy of attention in Natsu. 

Kitanowaka: After charging to 8 straight KKs KitanowakaKita hit a rough patch, going 3-4 in three of the following four bashos.  Since that time, he has reeled off 5 straight KKs with his 11-4 in Haru putting an exclamation point on this active streak to date.

Nishikawa: Starting with 4 straight KKs, Nishikawa succumbed to injury in Aki 2021, going 2-3-2.  Following that up with the Makushita yusho in Hatsu, his KK at 4-3 in Haru proves the yusho was not just a fluke.

Osanai: Osanai's three straight KKs to start include the Jonidan yusho, and otherwise total up to 19-2.  Following a marginal MK at 3-4 in Aki 2021, similar to Nishikawa he achieved a 7-0 yusho-doten in Sandanme, following it up with a 4-3 KK in Haru.

Hoping to see more excitement from these three!

Kitanowaka finishes with a disappointing 3-7-5.  Unsure of his injury prognosis.

Congratulations to Nishikawa as he eeks out a 4-3 MK in his last bout and will make his sekitori debut in Nagoya.

Osanai finishes 2-5. 

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2 minutes ago, Ack! said:

Congratulations to Osanai on his Ms yusho, who will also make his sekitori debut.

Ōshōma, surely.

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4 minutes ago, Ack! said:

Kitanowaka finishes with a disappointing 3-7-5.  Unsure of his injury prognosis.

He did manage to do just enough to stay in juryo; hope he's fully fit by July.

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3 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Ōshōma, surely.

Argh!  Darn those similar sounding shikona.  I'll have to blame that on my utter exhaustion today.

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Thanks for the update as always. Mukainakano has a few too many losses there in his record doesn't he?

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5 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Thanks for the update as always. Mukainakano has a few too many losses there in his record doesn't he?

Yep -- fixed

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32 minutes ago, Ack! said:

Argh!  Darn those similar sounding shikona.

Ack!, surely.

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The Wall lineup for Nagoya 2022:

Former Sd100TD Kinbozan just missed out on promotion to the sekitori ranks last basho.  Now all he needs is 4 wins, and he has yet to win less than 5 bouts in any basho, including his last from Ms4w.  The Wall is bolstered with 9 new rikishi this basho, most notably former Sd100TD Kanzaki and undefeated Sd27e Kototebakari.  Ganbatte!

Ms1w Kinbozan: 4 KK, 24-4

Ms21e Mukainakano: 6 KK, 29-13-7*

Ms24e Nobehara: 6 KK, 32-10

Ms27w Kanzaki; 2 KK, 13-1

Ms37e Kiryuko: 6 KK, 31-11

Ms55w Raiho: 4 KK 23-5-7*

Sd10e Hatsuyama: 2 KK, 11-3

Sd27e Kototebakari: 2 KK, 14-0

Sd49e Kotokenryu: 2 KK, 13-1

Sd67e Daiseizan: 2 KK, 12-2

Sd67w Wakanosho: 2 KK, 12-2

Sd71e Hanafusa: 2 KK, 12-2

Jd4w Satsumasho: 2 KK, 11-3

Jd7w Toseiryu: 2 KK, 10-4

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Nagoya 2022, Nakabi (Day 8):

After falling just short of promotion last basho, Kinbozan wasted no time in claiming his KK.  Daiseizan also has achieved perfection so far this basho. On day 3, Kototebakari suffered only his first loss in his three-basho career.

Ms1w Kinbozan: 4-0 (5 KK, 28-4)

Ms21e Mukainakano: 2-2 (6 KK, 31-15-7)*

Ms24e Nobehara: 2-2 (6 KK, 34-12)

Ms27w Kanzaki; 3-1 (2 KK, 16-2)

Ms37e Kiryuko: 2-2 (6 KK, 33-13)

Ms55w Raiho: 2-2 (4 KK 25-7-7)*

Sd10e Hatsuyama: 3-1 (2 KK, 14-4)

Sd27e Kototebakari: 3-1 (2 KK, 17-1)

Sd49e Kotokenryu: 2-2 (2 KK, 15-3)

Sd67e Daiseizan: 4-0 (2 KK, 16-2)

Sd67w Wakanosho: 2-2 (2 KK, 14-4)

Sd71e Hanafusa: 3-1 (2 KK, 15-3)

Jd4w Satsumasho: 2-2 (2 KK, 13-5)

Jd7w Toseiryu: 3-1 (2 KK, 13-5)

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Nagoya 2022, Final:

Ms1w Kinbozan: 6-1 (5 KK, 30-5)

Ms21e Mukainakano: 4-3 (7 KK, 33-16-7)*

Ms24e Nobehara: 3-4 (6 KK, 35-14)

Ms27w Kanzaki; 4-3 (3 KK, 17-4)

Ms37e Kiryuko: 5-2 (7 KK, 36-13)

Ms55w Raiho: 3-4 (4 KK 26-9-7)*

Sd10e Hatsuyama: 4-2-1 (3 KK, 15-5-1)

Sd27e Kototebakari: 4-2-1 (3 KK, 18-2-1)

Sd49e Kotokenryu: 3-3-1 (2 KK, 16-4-1)†

Sd67e Daiseizan: 6-1 (3 KK, 18-3)

Sd67w Wakanosho: 5-2 (3 KK, 17-4)

Sd71e Hanafusa: 6-1 (3 KK, 18-3)

Jd4w Satsumasho: 4-3 (3 KK, 15-6)

Jd7w Toseiryu: 4-2-1 (3 KK, 14-6-1)

new Jd43e Tanji: 6-1 (2 KK, 12-2)

new Jd46w Arise: 5-2 (2 KK, 11-3)

new Jd49e Kazekeno: 6-1 (2 KK, 12-2)

new Jd64e Wakamiyabi: 6-1 (2 KK, 11-3)

new Jd71e Tatsuosho: 5-2 (2 KK, 10-4)

new Jd73w Michihaya: 4-3 (2 KK, 9-5)

new Jd79w Kyokumizuno: 4-3 (2 KK, 8-6)

new Jd80e Kanazawa: 3-1-3 (1 KK, 7-4-3)†

new Jd81e Daikinryu: 5-2 (2 KK, 9-5)

new Jd84e Sato: 6-1 (2 KK, 10-4)

new Jd84w Hayashiryu: 6-1 (2 KK, 10-4)

new Jd85e Rinko: 6-1 (2 KK, 10-4)

new Jd85w Daishimatsu: 4-3 (2 KK, 8-6)

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Aki 2022, Nakabi (Day 8)

J12w Kinbozan: 5-3 (5 KK, 35-8)

Ms17e Mukainakano: 1-3 (7 KK, 34-19-7)*

Ms21e Kanzaki: 3-1 (3 KK, 20-5)

Ms22w Kiryuko: 1-3 (7 KK, 37-16)

Ms60e Hatsuyama: 3-1 (3 KK, 18-6-1)

Sd10w Daiseizan: 0-0-4 (3 KK, 18-3-4)

Sd13w Kototebakari: 4-0 (4 KK, 22-2-1)

Sd49e Kotokenryu: 3-1 (2 KK, 19-5-1)*

Sd33e Wakanosho: 4-0 (4 KK, 21-4)

Sd16w Hanafusa: 3-1 (4 KK, 21-4)

Sd68e Tanji: 3-1 (2 KK, 15-3)

Sd74e Kazekeno: 4-0 (3 KK, 16-2)

Sd76w Satsumasho: 1-3 (3 KK, 16-9)

Sd80w Toseiryu: 3-1 (3 KK, 17-7-1)

Sd85e Wakamiyabi: 2-2 (2 KK, 13-5)

Jd7e Arise: 3-1 (2 KK, 14-4)

Jd9e Sato: 2-2 (2 KK, 12-6)

Jd10w Hayashiryu: 2-2 (2 KK, 12-6)

Jd11e Rinko: 3-1 (2 KK, 13-5)

Jd33e Tatsuosho: 3-1 (2 KK, 13-5)

Jd40e Daikinryu: 3-1 (2 KK, 12-6)

Jd46w Michihaya: 2-2 (2 KK, 11-7)

Jd49w Kyokumizuno: 2-2 (2 KK, 10-8)

Jd53e Daishimatsu: 1-3 (2 KK, 9-9)

Jd80e Kanazawa: 3-1 (1 KK, 10-5-3)* 

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Aki 2022, Final

J12w Kinbozan: 10-5 (6 KK, 40-10)

Ms17e Mukainakano: 2-5 (7 KK, 35-21-7)*

Ms21e Kanzaki: 4-3 (4 KK, 21-7)

Ms22w Kiryuko: 3-4 (7 KK, 39-17)

Ms60e Hatsuyama: 4-3 (4 KK, 19-8-1)

Sd10w Daiseizan: 0-0-7 (3 KK, 18-3-7)

Sd13w Kototebakari: 6-1 (4 KK, 24-3-1)

Sd16w Hanafusa: 4-3 (4 KK, 22-6)

Sd33e Wakanosho: 6-1 (4 KK, 23-5)

Sd49e Kotokenryu: 5-2 (3 KK, 21-6-1)*

Sd68e Tanji: 5-2 (3 KK, 17-4)

Sd74e Kazekeno: 6-1 (3 KK, 18-3)

Sd76w Satsumasho: 2-5 (3 KK, 17-11)

Sd80w Toseiryu: 6-1 (4 KK, 20-7-1)

Sd85e Wakamiyabi: 5-2 (3 KK, 16-5)

Jd7e Arise: 4-3 (3 KK, 15-6)

Jd9e Sato: 3-4 (2 KK, 13-8)

Jd10w Hayashiryu: 4-3 (3 KK, 14-7)

Jd11e Rinko: 4-3 (3 KK, 14-7)

Jd33e Tatsuosho: 5-2 (3 KK, 15-6)

Jd40e Daikinryu: 5-2 (3 KK, 14-7)

Jd46w Michihaya: 5-2 (3 KK, 14-7)

Jd49w Kyokumizuno: 3-4 (2 KK, 11-10)

Jd53e Daishimatsu: 4-3 (3 KK, 12-9)

Jd80e Kanazawa: 5-2 (2 KK, 12-6-3)*

 

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The Wall lineup for Kyushu 2022:

J7w Kinbozan:  (6 KK, 40-10) Sd, Ms yusho

Ms18e Kanzaki:  (4 KK, 21-7) Sd yusho

Ms37e Kototebakari:  (4 KK, 24-3-1) Jk, Jd yusho

Ms45w Kayo:  (3 KK, 16-4)

Ms51e Wakanosho:  (4 KK, 23-5)

Ms51w Hatsuyama:  (4 KK, 19-8-1)

Sd4w Hanafusa:  (4 KK, 22-6)

Sd18w Kazekeno:  (3 KK, 18-3) Jk yusho

Sd21w Kotokenryu:  (3 KK, 21-6-1)*

Sd22w Toseiryu:  (4 KK, 20-7-1)

Sd32e Tanji:  (3 KK, 17-4)

Sd43w Takahashi: (2 KK, 13-1) Jk, Jd yusho

Sd48e Wakamiyabi:  (3 KK, 16-5)

Sd66w Kazuto: (2 KK, 12-2)

Sd77e Arise:  (3 KK, 15-6)

Sd80w Hayashiryu:  (3 KK, 14-7)

Sd81e Rinko:  (3 KK, 14-7)

Sd86e Tatsuosho:  (3 KK, 15-6)

Jd3e Daikinryu:  (3 KK, 14-7)

Jd6w Michihaya:  (3 KK, 14-7)

Jd18w Suyama: (2 KK, 10-4)

Jd24w Daishimatsu:  (3 KK, 12-9)

Jd30w Kanazawa:  (2 KK, 12-6-3)*

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Wakanosho and Hanafusa ranks corrected; Sd90TD Kayo added
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This thread is how I learnt Wakanosho did not make makushita off his 6-1 sd33 performance. Now that's unexpected, but it might help him stay on the list for one more basho.

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1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

This thread is how I learnt Wakanosho did not make makushita off his 6-1 sd33 performance. Now that's unexpected, but it might help him stay on the list for one more basho.

sumodb has him at Makushita with Hanafusa replacing his spot. Honestly no clue what's right

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9 minutes ago, Chartorenji said:

sumodb has him at Makushita with Hanafusa replacing his spot. Honestly no clue what's right

At first glance, it does indeed look like the Kyokai's website and Sumodb got Hanafusa and Wakanosho swapped around.

Logic would have it that it's Sumodb who got it right.

For the kyokai version to be accurate, it'd have to mean Wakanosho was the first sd33 6w in 50 years not to get promoted, whereas makushita promotions from Hanafusa's sd14 4w are exceedingly rare and the only time it's happened in the last 30 years was due to the yaocho purge..

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1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

At first glance, it does indeed look like the Kyokai's website and Sumodb got Hanafusa and Wakanosho swapped around.

Logic would have it that it's Sumodb who got it right.

For the kyokai version to be accurate, it'd have to mean Wakanosho was the first sd33 6w in 50 years not to get promoted, whereas makushita promotions from Hanafusa's sd14 4w are exceedingly rare and the only time it's happened in the last 30 years was due to the yaocho purge..

Both English and Japanese NSK pages have Wakanosho at ms51, the DB gets the data from there, so logic would have it that the NSK is right

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45 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Both English and Japanese NSK pages have Wakanosho at ms51, the DB gets the data from there, so logic would have it that the NSK is right

Just checked again and that is indeed the case now - they must've fixed it in the meantime.

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Updated/corrected the list.  Pretty sure I double-checked it against sumodb before posting, but it could be the error was mine. (Scratchingchin...)

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