Hatsu 2022 discussions (results)

[Thorbjarn 214]

9 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

I like Oho's tendency to yotsu. He's giving me the same sort of vibe I got from Asanoyama on his makuuchi debut.

Style-wise, he's quite unlike his dad, who I saw, and he's even taller than his granddad, who was way before my time.
It's a decent pedigree, so I've got some hopes for this kid.

*[Thanks @Jakusotsu]

This is very true. When Oho started, he seemed to rely solely on Oshi with some quick progress, then it stalled, but he seemed more focused on becoming more rounded. This is not a fat joke, btw. I hope his progress will be steady. 

Mitakeumi is at his best, setting up everyone including himself for disappointment. I will not even start discussing the O-stuff until Master M hits double digits. 

Another day of fun Sumo for me. Kaisei's Banzai Drop was good stuff aswell. 

 

[Benihana 1,901]

54 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

The Fukuoka zabuton are twofers

What are twofers?

[Seiyashi 4,071]

17 minutes ago, Benihana said:

What are twofers?

Rectangular zabuton for two. So to chuck that, not only is it imbalanced as hell, you'll have to yank it out from under your boxmate to throw it. Not a problem with halved box capacity, though...

[Yamanashi 3,727]

36 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Rectangular zabuton for two. So to chuck that, not only is it imbalanced as hell, you'll have to yank it out from under your boxmate to throw it. Not a problem with halved box capacity, though...

Murray Johnson: "And here on day 4 of the 2022 Kyusho basho, the impossible has happened! Tobizaru has defeated Yokozuna Terunofuji and the normally placid audience is going wild.  The Flying Monkey will get that big pile of kensho packets and ... wait, Tobizaru has been knocked completely off the dohyo by a double sized zabuton that looked like it caught him on the right chest and ... bowled him right over!  And now there's a fight going on in the crowd, as a woman seems to be pummeling her husband with her fists ... their zabuton seems to have gone missing ... "

[Eikokurai 3,433]

6 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Which age record?  Tamawashi can't ever break the "oldest first time winner".  There were presumably older Yusho winners in times past who had others to their name, or Kyokutenho would have been called oldest Yusho winner period, not oldest first time winner.  The only other record I know of Kyokutenho holding is most losses, which is obviously age-related, but not directly.

Tachiyama was the oldest ever. He won his final yusho in the summer of 1916 aged 38 and 9 months.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Eikokurai

[Ack! 433]

On 13/07/2021 at 07:31, Eikokurai said:

An arse that big covers chest and face at the same time.

 

16 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Hell of a way to start makuuchi action today. Bushozan, on a 0-5 loss streak, visits and faces Kaisei. He starts off well, getting Kaisei turned, then apparently slips on the shikiri-sen and faceplants, and gets the further indignity of Kaisei falling on his head, butt-first, afterwards. The kimarite is the hiwaza (non-technique) of tsukite.

 

16 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Kaisei has form in this department.

I can't help but think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqGI2DGNWV8

 

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

9 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Which age record?  Tamawashi can't ever break the "oldest first time winner".  There were presumably older Yusho winners in times past who had others to their name, or Kyokutenho would have been called oldest Yusho winner period, not oldest first time winner.  The only other record I know of Kyokutenho holding is most losses, which is obviously age-related, but not directly.

Kyokutenho holds the record for oldest first time yusho winner in the six basho era. He does have most career losses like you said, and he also has the record for most makuuchi appearances

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

A third-generation torikumi takes place on Day 7 as Oho and Kotonowaka meet for the first time. Their grandfathers met 26 times in a rather one-sided rivalry, while their fathers ended up all square after 40 bouts.

Edited January 15, 2022 by Yubinhaad

[Benihana 1,901]

Kaisei's back looks like he had some fun recently.

Sumimasen in advance.

Spoiler

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Benihana

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Waka's back on the Abema broadcast today (waiting to see if he makes a prediction), but his bout of the day is Mitakeumi v Tamawashi. Which sort of confirms he's picking bouts for their narrative power (Mita's ozeki run and lopsided record against Tamawashi, vs Tamawashi coming off a high yesterday and performing well in the joi).

EDIT: No, a prediction isn't on the Abema schedule today either.

Edited January 15, 2022 by Seiyashi

[since_94 650]

Tochinoshin’s win over Miyogiryu looked very close from the sole angle Abema TV showed. Without the benefit of others, I’m surprised no monoii was called 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

I think that one boils down to Myogiryu not obviously doing enough to complete the utchari before his own feet were forced out. Myogiryu's right heel touched down into the janome (ironically, how Tochinoshin used to keep losing bouts by mono-ii himself) long before Tochinoshin fell.

[Godango 956]

Anyone know the reason for the red news border in the nhk broadcast? Weather event/earthquake?

[since_94 650]

Sadanoumi and Tobizaru also VERY close, but maybe I’m still just groggy after a very late night out.

[Thorbjarn 214]

My guess would always be Covid at the moment. 

Tochinoshin looked convincing for a change.

I really like to see Chiyoshoma loose btw. No idea why, but he seems so unlikeable. 

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Thorbjarn

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Abi drops one. If Tamawashi manages to beat Mitakeumi today, then that brings the three of them level with Terunofuji and the yusho score no better than 14-1.

EDIT: Welp, in the event, he didn't, despite being the first one to actually push Mitakeumi back at the tachi-ai IIRC. That leaves Mitakeumi alone atop the leaderboard, with Abi and Terunofuji chasing him (for now - depending on whether Terunofuji beats Endo). That zensho is looking a bit less far-fetched now.

Edited January 15, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Thorbjarn 214]

This Mitakeumi is amazing. When will the OTHER Mitakeumi show up? 

[Eikokurai 3,433]

7-0 for Mitakeumi. He's only started 7-0 twice before and one of those was with a fusen, so I'd rank this as his equal best start in Makuuchi. The other was his first 13-2 yusho performance.

Edited January 15, 2022 by Eikokurai

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Man ... Shodai wasn't in that bout at all. All he could do was react to Okinoumi's initiative. 

[Benihana 1,901]

6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

7-0 for Mitakeumi. He's only started 7-0 twice before and one of those was with a fusen, so I'd rank this as his equal best start in Makuuchi. The other was his first 13-2 yusho performance.

You forgot his first 7-0 2018.01, which ended at 8-7.

Edited January 15, 2022 by Benihana

[Hankegami 412]

17 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Abi drops one. If Tamawashi manages to beat Mitakeumi today, then that brings the three of them level with Terunofuji and the yusho score no better than 14-1.

EDIT: Welp, in the event, he didn't, despite being the first one to actually push Mitakeumi back at the tachi-ai IIRC. That leaves Mitakeumi alone atop the leaderboard, with Abi and Terunofuji chasing him (for now - depending on whether Terunofuji beats Endo). That zensho is looking a bit less far-fetched now.

2 minutes ago, Thorbjarn said:

This Mitakeumi is amazing. When will the OTHER Mitakeumi show up? 

Whether he manages to get a zensho or not, it's crystal clear to me he REALLY wants his Ozeki promotion. I would wait whether Mitakeumi 2 shows up tomorrow. If he gets a 8-0, I believe we should seriously consider at least a yusho for him.

 

P.S.: There is also a Shodai 2, right? Because I cannot fathom how on earth this honest Maegashira guy managed to get the Ozeki rank.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Okinoumi starts 0-5, then beats the future yok Hosh and an ozeki, he's still got fight in him 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Katooshu

[Eikokurai 3,433]

2 minutes ago, Benihana said:

You forgot his first 7-0 2018.01, which ended at 8-7.

You're right. Second time this week I've missed something looking over his records. I am not upholding the dignity of my Yokozuna forum rank.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Grr. Endo had Terunofuji there for a moment but then stopped turning and let him find his feet.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Teru is channeling his inner Mitoryu with how easily he's being moved around this basho. This is the most unsteady and reactive he's been for a while...granted it's made for some fun albeit sloppy contests.

At 6-1 he's still doing pretty good, but not sure this is his basho.

Edited January 15, 2022 by Katooshu