Hatsu 2022 discussions (results)

[Reonito 1,535]

1 hour ago, Godango said:

They may well want a third basho from him even though he hit 33, as they did with Takakeisho when they deemed his 9-13Y-11J to be not impressive enough.

At that point, Takakeisho had only been in the top division for 2 years, and had a total of 4 san'yaku appearances, the first of which ended after a 5-10 performance at komusubi. I think that's why they asked for another double-digit performance. Mitakeumi is pretty much the polar opposite of this scenario.

[Godango 1,027]

14 minutes ago, Reonito said:

At that point, Takakeisho had only been in the top division for 2 years, and had a total of 4 san'yaku appearances, the first of which ended after a 5-10 performance at komusubi. I think that's why they asked for another double-digit performance. Mitakeumi is pretty much the polar opposite of this scenario.

Agreed, but it's still similar in the sense of 'checking for ozeki-run consistency'.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

35 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

7/2020

9/2020

11/2020

1/2021

3/2021

5/2021

7/2021

9/2021

11/2021

 ... the tenth is this one, 1/2022.

Technically, this is the 11th. He was ranked at Sekiwake for the basho that ended up cancelled. Either way, the numbers are the same, since we’re not counting either the cancelled one or this unfinished one in the maths.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

40 minutes ago, Reonito said:

At that point, Takakeisho had only been in the top division for 2 years, and had a total of 4 san'yaku appearances, the first of which ended after a 5-10 performance at komusubi. I think that's why they asked for another double-digit performance. Mitakeumi is pretty much the polar opposite of this scenario.

Yeah, Mitakeumi has now been in Makuuchi for 38 basho, 29 of them ranked at Komusubi or Sekiwake, and of the 9 basho he spent at Maegashira, only 3 came after he’d reached sanyaku and he hasn’t fallen lower than M3w. The other 6 were on his way up and account for this first full year in Makuuchi.

[jsolo 106]

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[Ack! 479]

3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Quite funny that we have discussion after just 5 days when it's still Mitakeumi we're talking about.

That said, he would make no worse Ozeki than the current crop or any other Goeido regarding consistency.

Can we move this discussion to the Ridiculous Predictions thread?  

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Isn’t this what we always do? Sumo fandom is all about following the narratives!

[Yamanashi 3,918]

4 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

That said, he would make no worse Ozeki than the current crop or any other Goeido regarding consistency.

Please add this to the SumoForum Dictionary:

Goeido: A rikishi who attains Ozeki rank and spends the rest of his career fighting off kadoban and reaching double digits about 20% of his basho.

Example: "I thought he was headed for the rope, but he passed his peak and turned into a Goeido."

[Oshirokita 192]

19 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Please add this to the SumoForum Dictionary:

Goeido: A rikishi who attains Ozeki rank and spends the rest of his career fighting off kadoban and reaching double digits about 20% of his basho.

Example: "I thought he was headed for the rope, but he passed his peak and turned into a Goeido."

We already have "ozekiwake" which pretty much covers the same thing. 

[Yamanashi 3,918]

3 minutes ago, Oshirokita said:

We already have "ozekiwake" which pretty much covers the same thing. 

That's the crazy thing -- he was never demoted once over five years!  When that was imminent (after January 2020) he retired.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

Hell of a way to start makuuchi action today. Bushozan, on a 0-5 loss streak, visits and faces Kaisei. He starts off well, getting Kaisei turned, then apparently slips on the shikiri-sen and faceplants, and gets the further indignity of Kaisei falling on his head, butt-first, afterwards. The kimarite is the hiwaza (non-technique) of tsukite.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Seiyashi

[since_94 650]

Kaisei sits on Bushozan, crushing his foe into the clay with his ample buttocks. They called it tsukite. I’m not a kimarite aficionado. I defer to the experts. Does that mean force down with butt, or what?  @Seiyashi types slightly faster than me. I think we may have just witnessed the genesis of a new kimarite.

Edited January 14, 2022 by since_94

[Seiyashi 4,109]

11 minutes ago, since_94 said:

Kaisei sits on Bushozan, crushing his foe into the clay with his ample buttocks. They called it tsukite. I’m not a kimarite aficionado. I defer to the experts. Does that mean force down with butt, or what?  @Seiyashi types slightly faster than me.

Tsukite basically means unprovoked hand touchdown (vs tsukihiza, unprovoked knee touchdown). It's one of the five non-techniques, the other three being isamiashi (inadvertent stepout - see WTK vs Shodai the other day), koshikudake (hip collapse - see Kakuryu's last bout vs Endo) and fumidashi (inadvertent backout - where a rikishi just backpedals away from his opponent too far and steps out as a result). All these five higi/hiwaza mean that the losing rikishi pretty much lost the bout singlehandedly without significant action being initiated by the winning rikishi.

The closest to a butt crush down is ushiromotare - the backwards lean out, which by bodily necessity usually ends up being initiated by the butt and looks like a butt bump. Too bad there's no ushirotaoshi, or backwards crush down!

Edited January 14, 2022 by Seiyashi

[rhyen 1,848]

7 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Hell of a way to start makuuchi action today. Bushozan, on a 0-5 loss streak, visits and faces Kaisei. He starts off well, getting Kaisei turned, then apparently slips on the shikiri-sen and faceplants, and gets the further indignity of Kaisei falling on his head afterwards. The kimarite is the hiwaza (non-technique) of tsukite.

Butttaoshi 

Edited January 14, 2022 by rhyen

[since_94 650]

9 minutes ago, rhyen said:

Butttaoshi 

Rolls off the tongue, it does.  Less objectionable than ass-a-ashi, perhaps. What do you think about glutenage?

[Eikokurai 3,437]

On 13/07/2021 at 22:31, Eikokurai said:

An arse that big covers chest and face at the same time.

 

39 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Hell of a way to start makuuchi action today. Bushozan, on a 0-5 loss streak, visits and faces Kaisei. He starts off well, getting Kaisei turned, then apparently slips on the shikiri-sen and faceplants, and gets the further indignity of Kaisei falling on his head, butt-first, afterwards. The kimarite is the hiwaza (non-technique) of tsukite.

Kaisei has form in this department.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

Lovely pirouette from Abi to recover at the edge and send Shimanoumi through a faux revolving door.

[Kaninoyama 1,818]

Abi's record is 45-9 since coming back from his suspension. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by Kaninoyama

[Eikokurai 3,437]

3 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Abi's record since coming back from his suspension is 45-9. 

Like he said at the time, “Abi back”.

I’ll get my coat.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

6 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Abi's record since coming back from his suspension is 45-9. 

That's impressive, but any non-0.500 average in a ranking system with space to go just means he hasn't hit his level yet. Considering he was a former komusubi for a few basho and only never made sekiwake due to bad banzuke luck, I would be more surprised if his average wasn't that good, plus his sumo genuinely seems to have improved too. The next basho with a full joi schedule will be the real test of his abilities, and if Mitakeumi doesn't get promoted I expect the two of them to lock down sekiwake for a while.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Godango 1,027]

For all our talk around Mitakeumi's ozeki prospects, damn if he didn't come to play. Completely dominated Endo at the tachiai.

[Seiyashi 4,109]

Mitakeumi keeps the dream alive, performing densha-michi on Endo. I couldn't swear to it, but he does look like he has shed a bit of weight, which would explain his faster movement and generally more powerful sumo this basho.

[Godango 1,027]

Shodai 3-3 after giving Ichinojo little resistance at the edge.

I've got to say, in a scenario where we have one yokozuna and two kadoban ozeki, all of a sudden Mitakeumi's win target appears smaller to me.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Godango

[lackmaker 439]

10 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Mitakeumi is a choker, but since there was near zero talk about an Ozeki run for him before the basho, there was near zero pressure on him from his peers and the press as well, hence his pretty good performance, record-wise and quality wise thus far

If he's reading this forum there's plenty of pressure on him. 

[Seiyashi 4,109]

Holy shit. Congratulations to Tamawashi for scoring the first kinboshi in a while (last was Daieisho in Aki 2021), and suddenly Mitakeumi and Abi are leaders in the yusho race.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Seiyashi