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2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

It’s far too early to be making pronouncements, but after four days things are heading in a nice direction with the Yokozuna and one Ozeki perfect, the second Ozeki only one behind, a former Ozeki also one behind, and our favorite perennial Sekiwake and two former sanyaku/joi regulars in Hokutofuji and Abi also still at 4-0 while fighting well below their natural ranks. It’s shaping up just lovely.

It is a great novelty to have no kadoban ozeki, everyone healthy, no spectre of the GOAT looming over everyone, and most of the sanyaku with positive wins or in the yusho hunt. I'm enjoying this :-).

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In Juryo, Enho vs Yago had everything: a 100 kg weight differential, a fine display of escape artistry by the smaller man, and an acrobatic finish. We are entertained.

It may have been said already, but Kyokutaisei’s gimp left leg is toast. Not as evident today, but he hasn’t been able to plant it this basho, let alone generate any power with it. It will be surprising if he doesn't pull out.

Daishoho goes gyoji-bowling with Churanoumi. Thought he threw a strike, but a last minute dodge left him with a spare.

Wakamotoharu vs Kaisho. OUCH.

Among the big dogs, Shimanoumi vs Takayasu was yet another marathon, featuring what looked to be damn near a wardrobe malfunction. It went so long, the judges were motioning for a water break, but the gyoji was too focused on the rikishi to see it. I’m sure I’m not alone in that my greatest fear was Takayasu would get on the belt and we would be forced to see something that could not ever be unseen. He got the belt, but we were spared, mercifully.

After that faceplant courtesy of Hoshoryu, you can be sure Endo couldn’t tell you what day it is or what city he’s in.

Mitakeumi looking strong at 4-0, but we all know that means nothing…

The Yokozuna has his old scowl face on. Looks like someone who wants to do bloody murder before a match, or at least would not mind if he had to. The predictable results follow.

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On 16/11/2021 at 10:57, Katooshu said:

Speaking of Tsurugisho, I notice that this basho he joined the 200kg+ club......I must say he wears it pretty well, especially considering he's 'only' 182cm

Rikishi get my respect when they break 200. The lower division guys go on my "ones to watch' list.

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14 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

But, I'm definitely not ruling Takakeisho out (especially if he is back in form).  Today he showed why he is so dangerous, sending upstart Kiribayama to the dirt with that strong left swipe of his!  Absolutely deadly, that is!

And another left swipe does the job.

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1 hour ago, Morty said:

It is a great novelty to have no kadoban ozeki, everyone healthy, no spectre of the GOAT looming over everyone, and most of the sanyaku with positive wins or in the yusho hunt. I'm enjoying this :-).

I would agree. It's good too see things going "as they should" per rank. Seems like it's been a while for that. 

Biggest shocker to me is Sadanoumi. I thought he would do poorly but he somehow looks heavier and more solid this basho. Even more than the last. 

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A comment regarding the performances of Takatōriki's sons today. In Makushita, Mudōhō at the very least deserved a mono-ii in his match, and it looked pretty clear to me that the side of Kotoshōhō's foot was out before Ōhō planted his own down - yet the shinpan reversed the call. No he didn't, I misheard the judge :-S

I wonder if we will see this pattern of unfavourable decisions against them continue as Takatōriki shows no signs of letting up in his anti-NSK crusade.
Tin foil hat off for now!!

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4 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

our favorite perennial Sekiwake

Over at Nikkan Sports, they are called Mita "the sleeping Ozeki candidate" (nemureru ōzeki kōho).

I suppose the choice of names has something to do with the "glass half empty/glass half full" debate!  ;-)

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5 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

Slim Shady ... Tochinoshin is back tomorrow!  He will be attempting to get his kachikoshi (to avoid further demotion), which means a minimum of 8 wins in 11 bouts (i.e., 72.7% win performance). Normally a KK only requires a 53.3% win performance.  Recently demoted Ozeki have to produce a 66.6% win performance (minimum 10 wins in 15 bouts) to get reinstated.  And as most fans here know, that's something which Tochinoshin pulled off in May 2019.  

8 wins here, however, is a bigger ask. 

Will our man from Georgia pull it off?  If he does, that should generate some added enthusiasm in this tournament!

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At least, he won't have to deal with Asanoyama and questionable monoii decisions!!!

 

I think he doesn't aim for KK, but rather for whatever score will be enough to not send him to juryo immediately.

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2 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

I think he doesn't aim for KK, but rather for whatever score will be enough to not send him to juryo immediately.

You are quite right about that.  He is at M13w, with 8 slots below him in the Top Division.  Any guesses on the bare minimum number of wins he needs to stay in Makuuchi?  Of course, much will depend on how the Juryo joi boys fare.  Last tournament, Tsurugisho was at more or less the same rank (technically one slot lower) and he ended up down in Juryo with a 5-10 record.  Five should be enough to save Tochinoshin, but he should aim for at least 6 to be safe.  

Nevertheless, I say "aim big".  If you can manage 6, then why not 8?  Hope his back is up for it!

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37 minutes ago, Joaoiyama said:

I guess Hoshoryu will never get a monoii.

Not sure the bout v. Endo really warranted one.  From the angle Abema TV provided, it was pretty clear that Hoshoryu's right knee dropped on the ring first.  

A monoii would not have hurt though.  Earlier in the day, they seemed to be trying to kill time ... (but then again, Takayasu did that for them in spades!).

Bouts that end with a shitatenage vs uwatenage showdown are pretty awesome, and this was no exception (insert enthusiasm here).

But as a fellow fan of Hoshoryu, I'd agree that he can't seem to catch a break (last tournament was no exception).

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Hoshoryu is very talented, but his youth and inexperience are showing now he's having to fight the same rikishi repeatedly. He needs to figure out how to deal with guys who've figured him out. He's got a lot of time to get good.

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1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

He is at M13w, with 8 slots below him in the Top Division.

Don't forget that there are already two open slots from above him, created by Hakuho and Asanoyama which means that things should be easier for the relegation candidates, I think.

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Only after seeing the replay we all saw Endo won, but they didn't even feel the need for a replay. Same against Tamawashi and some other bouts in past basho's. I'm no conspiracy freak but "they" seem picky when it comes to monoii calls with the nephew.

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In this classic bout a monoii was called, a torinaoshi then ensued with the reason for the call being the kabaite rule, which is when a rikishi is shinitai and the upper man is going down on top of him, so he puts his hand down to break the fall. See for yourselves if that was the case here.

 

 

 

 

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Last november, son and nephew delivered a bout as close as the one above, almost as if they were trying to recreate it but no monoii was called. (Scratchingchin...)

 

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43 minutes ago, Joaoiyama said:

Only after seeing the replay we all saw Endo won, but they didn't even feel the need for a replay. Same against Tamawashi and some other bouts in past basho's. I'm no conspiracy freak but "they" seem picky when it comes to monoii calls with the nephew.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was pretty sure Endo won while watching in real-time, before I saw any replay. Not every somewhat-close result needs a monoii, if that was the standard then the top division would take another hour.

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For me it was clear today that Hoshoryu touched first, but anyway he's not having any luck lately with the shimpan decissions. I'm sure he'll overcome that soon, he's always fun to watch: full of energy, nice kimarite and badass face.

Glad that Akua won today, I like him, but sometimes he's just clueless. Hope to see at least one kakenage from him this basho. 

Sadly Ura lost, but Tobizaru won, so I'm fine with that.

And Takayasu really likes this stamina contests. I'm thinking for a while now that he just has no self confidence, and prefers to extend the bout to drain his opponent out than taking some risky position. Too many times he has been taken down in the last moment, specially in his "Choke Basho" in Osaka this year. I think it's a pity, because he has the technique and  the strenght to blown up most of his opponents in a second.

Not one of my favourites, but nice to see Takakeisho spanking people left and right. One of those would be enough to take me back to Spain in the blink of an eye.

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3 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

You are quite right about that.  He is at M13w, with 8 slots below him in the Top Division.  Any guesses on the bare minimum number of wins he needs to stay in Makuuchi?  Of course, much will depend on how the Juryo joi boys fare.  Last tournament, Tsurugisho was at more or less the same rank (technically one slot lower) and he ended up down in Juryo with a 5-10 record.  Five should be enough to save Tochinoshin, but he should aim for at least 6 to be safe.  

Nevertheless, I say "aim big".  If you can manage 6, then why not 8?  Hope his back is up for it!

From the db, starting at M13w, # of wins in basho:

7-8 OK (no one demoted this century)

6-9 8/12 survived in Makuuchi this century

5-10 1/9 survived.

So, he needs 6 wins minimum; and given it's Tochinoshin, he needs 7 wins minimum (those that follow Tochinoshin know what I mean(Consoling...)).

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17 minutes ago, Benevolance said:

And 10 wins starts his tsuna run. 

Nice try.   If only tsunas could be obtained that easily... (Shakinghead...)

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4 hours ago, Joaoiyama said:

Only after seeing the replay we all saw Endo won, but they didn't even feel the need for a replay. Same against Tamawashi and some other bouts in past basho's. I'm no conspiracy freak but "they" seem picky when it comes to monoii calls with the nephew.

No, it was pretty clear in real-time too. Except for those maybe wearing Hosh glasses :-D .. Although even then I haven't seen any complaints about it after a quick browse through Kinta and Natto's videos.

The call and lack of monoii vs Tamawashi was questionable, but not this one. 

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7 hours ago, rokudenashi said:

A comment regarding the performances of Takatōriki's sons today. In Makushita, Mudōhō at the very least deserved a mono-ii in his match, and it looked pretty clear to me that the side of Kotoshōhō's foot was out before Ōhō planted his own down - yet the shinpan reversed the call.

I wonder if we will see this pattern of unfavourable decisions against them continue as Takatōriki shows no signs of letting up in his anti-NSK crusade.

Agree on Mudoho - I thought it was clear that his opponent touched down first. 

The shinpan's reversal favoured Oho - Kotoshoho was originally called the winner and that was overturned by the shinpan. Oho is now 4-0.

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2 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

From the db, starting at M13w, # of wins in basho:

7-8 OK (no one demoted this century)

6-9 8/12 survived in Makuuchi this century

5-10 1/9 survived.

So, he needs 6 wins minimum; and given it's Tochinoshin, he needs 7 wins minimum (those that follow Tochinoshin know what I mean(Consoling...)).

6-9 would be completely safe. You need to take into account the increased makuuchi size, and that there are only 3 Y+O with Hakuho retiring.

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8 minutes ago, Kamitsuumi said:

6-9 would be completely safe. You need to take into account the increased makuuchi size, and that there are only 3 Y+O with Hakuho retiring.

Agree, and with the way things are shaping up so far, I'd be pretty surprised if 5 wins doesn't save him also. It looks like there's gonna be more supply than demand for makuuchi slots next time.

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