Taliesin 39 Posted September 15, 2021 Honestly, very disappointing Houshouryuu performance today. Just because he is injured, you think you can easily beat oshi-sumo expert Ozeki at his own game? Some patience, and this bout would be takeable. Kiribayama continues to impress, we have Terunofuji 4-0 vs Kiribayama 4-0 tomorrow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 32,190 Posted September 15, 2021 57 minutes ago, Taliesin said: Kiribayama continues to impress, we have Terunofuji 4-0 vs Kiribayama 4-0 tomorrow. Kiribayama learned from yesterday that a long bout suits him well, and he saw on day 2 that Ichinojo was beatable that way - the Ichinojo who was an expert in winning long bouts, leaning on the others till they were exhausted - now the others outlast him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 2,738 Posted September 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: Kiribayama learned from yesterday that a long bout suits him well, and he saw on day 2 that Ichinojo was beatable that way - the Ichinojo who was an expert in winning long bouts, leaning on the others till they were exhausted - now the others outlast him Not just yesterday. IIRC mikawa's data from the last basho showed that Kiribayama was second only to Takayasu for bout length. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,140 Posted September 15, 2021 Yeah, Kiribayama beating long-bout specialists at their own game is marvellous. Sup with Takayasu this time? I don't recall seeing anyone with taping across their belly like that before... @since_94 When was the last time we had a dominant ozeki? This year! His name is Terunofuji and he was so dominant they promoted him to yokozuna after just 2 basho. Did you blink or something? I am very impressed by how Terunofuji is fulfilling his new role. His measured seri-agari is actually very nice, which I didn't expect, and he looks like he belongs in the musubi-no-ichiban every day. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amamaniac 1,935 Posted September 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Kaninoyama said: 2023 Ozeki: Hoshoryu Kiribayama I'm going to go out on a limb and say 2022 Ozeki... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 2,019 Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) Hoshoryu needs to win again so we can get back to the day 1 next yokozuna talk....screw just being next ozeki! Edited September 15, 2021 by Katooshu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 719 Posted September 15, 2021 9 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: Sorry, Goeido only ranks 3rd on the all time list Yeah will be a long time before anyone beats the OBSC's finest, Kaio and Chiyotaikai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,127 Posted September 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Amamaniac said: I'm going to go out on a limb and say 2022 Ozeki... Well, that they'll still be Ozeki in 2023 will speak to their better staying power than the current crop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,183 Posted September 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said: Since returning to makunouchi Terunofuji has now gone 7-0 against Hokutofuji, and has used 7 different kimarite. Fortunately, Terunofuji has got another 75 more kimarite to choose from before he is forced to start losing to Hokutofuji. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 38,761 Posted September 15, 2021 My Golden Crystal Ball tells me Ichiyamamoto and Takanoshou will be kyujo from tomorrow. THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL - just my ball talking. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thorbjarn 187 Posted September 15, 2021 I fear you are right, but hope you are wrong. Meisei vs Kotonowaka today was my favourite bout of the Basho so far! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amamaniac 1,935 Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) Today, Ukranian giant(?), Shishi went up against his Russian rival, Roga. It is frustrating to see Shishi so fixed on fighting from a low stance (incl. getting his head under that of his opponent). No doubt it is something that his stable master has ingrained in him, but it makes his sumo rather one sided, and makes him vulnerable! Roga had little difficulty in asserting Russia's dominance... Shishi has a lot to learn if he hopes to ever reach the Sekitori ranks. Edited September 15, 2021 by Amamaniac 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neonbelly 226 Posted September 15, 2021 I hope Hoshoryu can get some wins to go along with his admirable efforts. I'd hate to see him get a Hokotofuji-esque makekoshi. I think we need to get real about the fact that Takayasu has simply found his level, which is ups and downs at komusubi and sekiwake. No more injury-this, if-only-he-still-had-Kisenosato-that. Even if he somehow made Ozeki he'd never hold it. Ichinojo yusho, he's just conserving himself right now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,127 Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, neonbelly said: I hope Hoshoryu can get some wins to go along with his admirable efforts. I'd hate to see him get a Hokotofuji-esque makekoshi. I think we need to get real about the fact that Takayasu has simply found his level, which is ups and downs at komusubi and sekiwake. No more injury-this, if-only-he-still-had-Kisenosato-that. Even if he somehow made Ozeki he'd never hold it. Ichinojo yusho, he's just conserving himself right now. Takayasu did make Ozeki (and wasn't able to hold on to it). Edited September 16, 2021 by Kaninoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neonbelly 226 Posted September 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said: Takayasu did make Ozeki (and wasn't able to hold on to it). I should have been more specific in saying he won't get back to what he was. Incidentally 2.5 years with the Ozeki rank is nothing to sneeze at. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,127 Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, neonbelly said: I should have been more specific in saying he won't get back to what he was. Incidentally 2.5 years with the Ozeki rank is nothing to sneeze at. I thought you probably knew that but wanted to mention it just in case. To be sure, most who fall from Ozeki never again ascend back to it, and Takayasu looks closer to intai than regaining his former rank at the moment. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 2,581 Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, neonbelly said: I should have been more specific in saying he won't get back to what he was. Incidentally 2.5 years with the Ozeki rank is nothing to sneeze at. ... and if not for that disastrous 2-basho stint at the end of 2019, he'd still be an Ozeki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neonbelly 226 Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, Kaninoyama said: I thought you probably knew that but wanted to mention it just in case. To be sure, most who fall from Ozeki never again ascend back to it, and Takayasu looks closer to intai than regaining his former rank at the moment. At least we're past that awkward and overlong phase where he said he wouldn't marry his girlfriend until winning a yusho. Nothing but respect for our Mr and Mrs Takayasu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,098 Posted September 16, 2021 It looks like the banzuke committee's decision not to demote Chiyonokuni for Mitoryu has been justified (so far) with the former at 4-0 and the latter at 1-3. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,098 Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Shinobi Steve said: You forgot to add that Shodai will continue to flip flop between kadoban and not kadoban with every basho. We'll constantly be on the edge of our seats as to whether there will be an Ozeki at all with each new kadoban effort. Hey, he got a KK the last *two* basho. He's improving, though he's still likely going to be Goeido part 2. Edited September 16, 2021 by Gurowake 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neonbelly 226 Posted September 16, 2021 19 hours ago, Taliesin said: Honestly, very disappointing Houshouryuu performance today. Just because he is injured, you think you can easily beat oshi-sumo expert Ozeki at his own game? Some patience, and this bout would be takeable. Kiribayama continues to impress, we have Terunofuji 4-0 vs Kiribayama 4-0 tomorrow. To be an oshi-sumo expert is to be an expert at keeping opponents off the belt. It's a reasonable strategy on Hoshoryu's part to avoid trying to grab while giving Takakeisho free shots, and cut to the chase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 2,738 Posted September 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, neonbelly said: 19 hours ago, Taliesin said: Honestly, very disappointing Houshouryuu performance today. Just because he is injured, you think you can easily beat oshi-sumo expert Ozeki at his own game? Some patience, and this bout would be takeable. Kiribayama continues to impress, we have Terunofuji 4-0 vs Kiribayama 4-0 tomorrow. To be an oshi-sumo expert is to be an expert at keeping opponents off the belt. It's a reasonable strategy on Hoshoryu's part to avoid trying to grab while giving Takakeisho free shots, and cut to the chase. The start of the bout was fine, I thought. He got a bit sloppy trying to finish Takakeisho and lost there, but he actually had Takakeisho on the defensive for most of the bout even using oshi techniques. Besides, it's not as if Takakeisho hadn't already lost to a fellow Mongolian grappling specialist using oshi techniques... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 38,761 Posted September 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Kintamayama said: My Golden Crystal Ball tells me Ichiyamamoto and Takanoshou will be kyujo from tomorrow. THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL - just my ball talking. Sorry, i meant to post this on the "ridiculous predictions " thread.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 384 Posted September 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Kintamayama said: My Golden Crystal Ball tells me Ichiyamamoto and Takanoshou will be kyujo from tomorrow. THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL - just my ball talking. takanosho won't be fighting today.....thanx fot the early warning 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 38,761 Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Gernobono said: takanosho won't be fighting today.....thanx fot the early warning My guess is he was going kyujo but they heard Hokutofuji was too, so they asked him to delay his kyujo for a day so as not to have a double kyujo which can upset the universal balance. Takanoshou will be kyujo on day 6. Well, maybe.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites