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56 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Nikkan calculated the average length of Terunofuji's bouts. Very telling.

July 2020 - 14.4 seconds, 13-2 yusho at M17

Aki 2020 - 6.7 seconds, 8-5-2 at M1

November 2020  - 9.5 seconds, 13-2 jun-yusho at Komusubi

Hatsu 2012 11.9 seconds, 11-4 jun-yusho at Sekiwake

Haru 2021 - 9.3 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Sekiwake

Natsu 2021 - 8.7 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Ozeki

July 2021 - 13.2 seconds, 14-1 jun-yusho  at Ozeki

Aki 2021 - 27.7 seconds, 13-2 yusho at Yokozuna.

In that he's gaining more patience, his sumo is maturing, or he's got less energy to more immediately and decisively end bouts? There's a growing trend but I'm not seeing the immediate correlation to his performance.

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Just now, Seiyashi said:

In that he's gaining more patience, his sumo is maturing, or he's got less energy to more immediately and decisively end bouts? There's a growing trend but I'm not seeing the immediate correlation to his performance.

I disagree. I see a direct correlation. It shows he is more careful and more calculated. I don't see less energy at all. I see "not wanting to lose by hurrying things as I am now a Yokozuna." Who knows. All I know is he is taking 2-3 times the time  it used to take him to finish things off. He must be doing something right, 13-2 yusho and all.

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His opponents are becoming harder to beat as they become accustomed to his style?

I really want to see a larger sample size...

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7 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

All I know is he is taking 2-3 times the time  it used to take him to finish things off.

Contrary to the time before he first rose to Ozeki. He didn't even know *how* to finish back then.

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1 minute ago, RabidJohn said:

His opponents are becoming harder to beat as they become accustomed to his style?

I really want to see a larger sample size...

ן don’t think his bouts were much longer before, and do you really want to count his Jonidan and Sandanme and Makushita bouts as well? I think it's a good indication, this sample size.

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2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Contrary to the time before he first rose to Ozeki. He didn't even know *how* to finish back then.

Well, we're checking the near past, not 3 years ago, when he was someone different, as he puts it. Do you have stats from back then? That would be interesting to see.

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1 minute ago, Kintamayama said:

Do you have stats from back then? That would be interesting to see.

I wish I had...

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Is it possible that the differential is due to the strategies of his opponents?  If going right at him gets you grabbed and thrown out after 8-10 seconds, maybe you should be more circumspect: avoid his mawashi grip, hit and shift, etc.  That seems to be the plan for the last two basho.  He does seem to be more patient than before; instead of getting frustrated and lunging at his opponent, he keeps his balance and waits for his chance.  That will lead to a longer bout.

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6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

ן don’t think his bouts were much longer before, and do you really want to count his Jonidan and Sandanme and Makushita bouts as well? 

No, I want to see a larger sample of his basho as a yokozuna before drawing any conclusions.

On the face of it, his bouts as a tsunatori ozeki and yokozuna take longer than they did before. Yes, that could be because his focus has shifted from wanting to win to not wanting to lose, or maybe Isegahama has told him the NSK expects a longer show from their yokozuna, or maybe it's just a blip and he'll return to a sub-10s average.

I just want to take a longer term view, as old hands on this forum are wont to tell me I should.

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Shorter bouts would be better for the knees than a sustained driving effort, surely. But the weakness has also forced him to develop other weapons, to become less of a one-trick pony, reinventing his sumo. I have great respect for that, it can't have been easy. So he is putting a lot more thought into his bouts, defense as well as attack. I'd say we getting more entertainment than we would have gotten had he not been injured and become Yokozuna in 2018.

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I think what he does there is calculated and smart. To me it seemed that this basho he's always been trying to suck the opponent in, as he would normally be in an advantage coming from a static or at least balanced position without many weird accelerations or vectors. At least against potentially strong opponents. The knees are IMHO in much bigger danger in wild pushing/thrusting situations, because those make you fall on tawara and shimpan (or straw-bales and straw-men, as we call them in my local Yakuza den). I'm with Moti, deliberate and calculated. Smart.

Edited by yorikiried by fate
Clarification of temporal reference

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14 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Nikkan calculated the average length of Terunofuji's bouts. Very telling.

July 2020 - 14.4 seconds, 13-2 yusho at M17

Aki 2020 - 6.7 seconds, 8-5-2 at M1

November 2020  - 9.5 seconds, 13-2 jun-yusho at Komusubi

Hatsu 2012 11.9 seconds, 11-4 jun-yusho at Sekiwake

Haru 2021 - 9.3 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Sekiwake

Natsu 2021 - 8.7 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Ozeki

July 2021 - 13.2 seconds, 14-1 jun-yusho  at Ozeki

Aki 2021 - 27.7 seconds, 13-2 yusho at Yokozuna.

Is there a complete list of bout lengths anywhere? I'd be keen to see what the median is and how it stacks up against the average.

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On 21/07/2021 at 05:35, RabidJohn said:

I'm currently playing Final Fantasy XIV Online and I've literally just found this:
 

Shiranui.jpg

I'll update if I find an Unryu...

Oh, you’ll find a number of sumo references in this and other FF games! Final Fantasy Dissidia Opera Omnia also has Tifa yell “hatakikomi” when she does one of her special attacks. 

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5 hours ago, Godango said:

Is there a complete list of bout lengths anywhere? I'd be keen to see what the median is and how it stacks up against the average.

You can try Misahiro's threads in the Honbasho forum, but you'll have to compile it yourself. 

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2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

You can try Misahiro's threads in the Honbasho forum, but you'll have to compile it yourself. 

That was my first thought, but there's a few missing days (no judgement, I was almost entirely absent from the forum this basho).

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