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Terunofuji is the 73rd Yokozuna.

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56 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Nikkan calculated the average length of Terunofuji's bouts. Very telling.

July 2020 - 14.4 seconds, 13-2 yusho at M17

Aki 2020 - 6.7 seconds, 8-5-2 at M1

November 2020  - 9.5 seconds, 13-2 jun-yusho at Komusubi

Hatsu 2012 11.9 seconds, 11-4 jun-yusho at Sekiwake

Haru 2021 - 9.3 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Sekiwake

Natsu 2021 - 8.7 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Ozeki

July 2021 - 13.2 seconds, 14-1 jun-yusho  at Ozeki

Aki 2021 - 27.7 seconds, 13-2 yusho at Yokozuna.

In that he's gaining more patience, his sumo is maturing, or he's got less energy to more immediately and decisively end bouts? There's a growing trend but I'm not seeing the immediate correlation to his performance.

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Just now, Seiyashi said:

In that he's gaining more patience, his sumo is maturing, or he's got less energy to more immediately and decisively end bouts? There's a growing trend but I'm not seeing the immediate correlation to his performance.

I disagree. I see a direct correlation. It shows he is more careful and more calculated. I don't see less energy at all. I see "not wanting to lose by hurrying things as I am now a Yokozuna." Who knows. All I know is he is taking 2-3 times the time  it used to take him to finish things off. He must be doing something right, 13-2 yusho and all.

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His opponents are becoming harder to beat as they become accustomed to his style?

I really want to see a larger sample size...

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7 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

All I know is he is taking 2-3 times the time  it used to take him to finish things off.

Contrary to the time before he first rose to Ozeki. He didn't even know *how* to finish back then.

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1 minute ago, RabidJohn said:

His opponents are becoming harder to beat as they become accustomed to his style?

I really want to see a larger sample size...

ן don’t think his bouts were much longer before, and do you really want to count his Jonidan and Sandanme and Makushita bouts as well? I think it's a good indication, this sample size.

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2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Contrary to the time before he first rose to Ozeki. He didn't even know *how* to finish back then.

Well, we're checking the near past, not 3 years ago, when he was someone different, as he puts it. Do you have stats from back then? That would be interesting to see.

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1 minute ago, Kintamayama said:

Do you have stats from back then? That would be interesting to see.

I wish I had...

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Is it possible that the differential is due to the strategies of his opponents?  If going right at him gets you grabbed and thrown out after 8-10 seconds, maybe you should be more circumspect: avoid his mawashi grip, hit and shift, etc.  That seems to be the plan for the last two basho.  He does seem to be more patient than before; instead of getting frustrated and lunging at his opponent, he keeps his balance and waits for his chance.  That will lead to a longer bout.

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6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

ן don’t think his bouts were much longer before, and do you really want to count his Jonidan and Sandanme and Makushita bouts as well? 

No, I want to see a larger sample of his basho as a yokozuna before drawing any conclusions.

On the face of it, his bouts as a tsunatori ozeki and yokozuna take longer than they did before. Yes, that could be because his focus has shifted from wanting to win to not wanting to lose, or maybe Isegahama has told him the NSK expects a longer show from their yokozuna, or maybe it's just a blip and he'll return to a sub-10s average.

I just want to take a longer term view, as old hands on this forum are wont to tell me I should.

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Shorter bouts would be better for the knees than a sustained driving effort, surely. But the weakness has also forced him to develop other weapons, to become less of a one-trick pony, reinventing his sumo. I have great respect for that, it can't have been easy. So he is putting a lot more thought into his bouts, defense as well as attack. I'd say we getting more entertainment than we would have gotten had he not been injured and become Yokozuna in 2018.

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I think what he does there is calculated and smart. To me it seemed that this basho he's always been trying to suck the opponent in, as he would normally be in an advantage coming from a static or at least balanced position without many weird accelerations or vectors. At least against potentially strong opponents. The knees are IMHO in much bigger danger in wild pushing/thrusting situations, because those make you fall on tawara and shimpan (or straw-bales and straw-men, as we call them in my local Yakuza den). I'm with Moti, deliberate and calculated. Smart.

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Clarification of temporal reference

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14 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Nikkan calculated the average length of Terunofuji's bouts. Very telling.

July 2020 - 14.4 seconds, 13-2 yusho at M17

Aki 2020 - 6.7 seconds, 8-5-2 at M1

November 2020  - 9.5 seconds, 13-2 jun-yusho at Komusubi

Hatsu 2012 11.9 seconds, 11-4 jun-yusho at Sekiwake

Haru 2021 - 9.3 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Sekiwake

Natsu 2021 - 8.7 seconds, 12-3 yusho at Ozeki

July 2021 - 13.2 seconds, 14-1 jun-yusho  at Ozeki

Aki 2021 - 27.7 seconds, 13-2 yusho at Yokozuna.

Is there a complete list of bout lengths anywhere? I'd be keen to see what the median is and how it stacks up against the average.

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On 21/07/2021 at 05:35, RabidJohn said:

I'm currently playing Final Fantasy XIV Online and I've literally just found this:
 

Shiranui.jpg

I'll update if I find an Unryu...

Oh, you’ll find a number of sumo references in this and other FF games! Final Fantasy Dissidia Opera Omnia also has Tifa yell “hatakikomi” when she does one of her special attacks. 

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5 hours ago, Godango said:

Is there a complete list of bout lengths anywhere? I'd be keen to see what the median is and how it stacks up against the average.

You can try Misahiro's threads in the Honbasho forum, but you'll have to compile it yourself. 

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2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

You can try Misahiro's threads in the Honbasho forum, but you'll have to compile it yourself. 

That was my first thought, but there's a few missing days (no judgement, I was almost entirely absent from the forum this basho).

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On 21/07/2021 at 05:35, RabidJohn said:

I'm currently playing Final Fantasy XIV Online and I've literally just found this:
 

Shiranui.jpg

I'll update if I find an Unryu...

I found Unryu in FF14!  A human (er...looking closely, she's an Au Ra actually - you can see the tail and horned ears in the pic but it's harder to make them out than it is if you actually were to go an visit her at the armorsmith at Pier #1 in Kugane), not a creature.

 

Unryu2.jpg

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On 27/09/2021 at 21:48, Michishige said:

Oh, you’ll find a number of sumo references in this and other FF games!

Higashi is Japan in all but name.  Kugane is Dejima in all but name.  It's a bit too silly how much of Japanese culture made it into the game for this specific area.  I suppose it might be partially the English translation and the original isn't as obvious* but it's quite blatant to me and hardly a "reference".  I suppose you did say "sumo" and not "Japan".  I haven't seen anything specific to Sumo, unless you count summoning the Sea and Storm Kami who shares a name with a sumo gamer.

*Ishgard has all French names, but I doubt that comes through in the original Japanese, and was a choice of the English translators.

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9 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I found Unryu in FF14!  

Unryu2.jpg

Grandmaster of the Hand and still a sprout! I'd finished the MSQ before I even looked at crafting...
Edit: Blow me down! The lvl 63 armourer quest took me to him/her just now!

9 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Higashi is Japan in all but name.  Kugane is Dejima in all but name.  

Yeah, it is pretty blatant, as is Yanxia being China and Azim being Mongolia. They're even similarly placed geographically. 
Have you noticed that Doman Mahjong is actually Riji Mahjong?

9 hours ago, Gurowake said:

*Ishgard has all French names, but I doubt that comes through in the original Japanese, and was a choice of the English translators.

Not just Ishgard. All Ellezen tend to have French-sounding names; e.g. Alphinaud and Urianger of the Scions, Roioulle of the Immortal Flames in Uldah, half the NPC population of Gridania... So many Ls and other sounds that don't occur in Japanese that is must be down to Koji Fox and his team, right?
But then you hear Roioulle in a spoken cutscene and realise it's easily rendered as 'Wayuu'...

9 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I haven't seen anything specific to Sumo, unless you count summoning the Sea and Storm Kami who shares a name with a sumo gamer.

Susano is the name of the storm kami 'IRL'. I was actually surprised he didn't get a sex change for the game, like Shiva and Tsukiyomi.
There are a couple of references to the tribes of the Azim Steppes being exceptionally strong fighters, which I'd like to believe is a nod to the Mongolian domination of ozumo over the last two decades.

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Ah, good old FF. I played almost every edition up to FF10, maybe someday I'll get to 14 and find those sumo-related things :-D

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I was a FF virgin until a few months ago when I picked up on the generally good vibes around 14.
I've heard it said that it's basically an homage to all the preceding iterations, so you'll probably get way more of the references than I possibly could.

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The Au'ra are into wrestling and are Mongolian inspired. The Namazu are interested in that and have a Takakeishoish body shape.  (It's a pity I helped them built an archery range, I was hoping for a dohyo.)

FFXIV is it's own thing primarily, for Hompage galore you'd be better of with Dissidia and co. It features the standard FF things and yes it has some things inspired by other FFs as optional side stuff (I can think of the Rabanastre raid story line), nur not actually that much, and gives you characters from other FFs as minions or has clothing options. You can walk around mostly looking like Yuna or Tidus and drive Cloud's bike (I recommend it, it has an extra speed up buff, very helpful till you can fly XD). Given that it has been going for years, it's just ginormous.

 

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