How many yusho will Terunofuji win in his career?

[Seiyashi 4,102]

On 27/11/2021 at 17:14, Eikokurai said:

Sure, at the time we were all swept up in the romance of the comeback, but now we know his level, we can see that that basho was a snooze for him.

Yet he failed to go perfect in Juryo two basho before that, and wasn't back to full championship form immediately after that yusho either. I think there was a certain element of reconditioning in his comeback and he was still getting used to fighting 15 days. 

If there was a gimme it lies more in the fact that the Natsu basho was cancelled, IMO. That gave everyone carrying serious injuries a disproportionate chance to rest relative to the rest of the field: look at Takayasu and Tochinoshin. 

[Eikokurai 3,437]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Yet he failed to go perfect in Juryo two basho before that, and wasn't back to full championship form immediately after that yusho either. I think there was a certain element of reconditioning in his comeback and he was still getting used to fighting 15 days. 

If there was a gimme it lies more in the fact that the Natsu basho was cancelled, IMO. That gave everyone carrying serious injuries a disproportionate chance to rest relative to the rest of the field: look at Takayasu and Tochinoshin. 

You make a point, but that second Juryo basho looks like the outlier now. His only other duff basho was his post-yusho kyujo where he was obviously nursing some injury. Otherwise, he’s been basically unbeatable since his return to upper Makushita.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Eikokurai

[Jakusotsu 5,995]

15 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Why is the poll closed to new votes? I don’t remember putting a deadline on it.

Re-opened. I was unhelpfully trying to be helpful.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Re-opened. I was unhelpfully trying to be helpful.

Hehe. No worries. I thought my tech-addled brain had just messed up how to make a poll.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Up to 7 now. One more and the 12 who voted 6-7 drop out.

[Kishinoyama 595]

On 25/07/2021 at 20:09, Kishinoyama said:

I chose 6-7. I hope that he proves me wrong! 

Sorry to drag up an old poll but I am glad that the Yokozuna proved me wrong. Now can he get more than 8-9?

[Hankegami 537]

Sorry for contributing to necro-posting, but I never noticed this poll. Anyway, I always got that Teru wants to get his 10 yusho. Given what he did in this basho, I'm prone to think he's going to get them after all. He could even get one or two more before retiring, but all depends on his knees.

On 18/06/2021 at 11:10, Seiyashi said:

Quick clarification - dai-yokozuna is 10 yusho as yokozuna, or a yokozuna who has won 10 yusho over his whole career including any before his promotion?

On 18/06/2021 at 11:33, Eikokurai said:

I’ve always taken it to mean total.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2019/10/23/sumo/quest-capture-10-titles-tough-challenge-current-crop-star-wrestlers/

On 18/06/2021 at 15:49, Kaminariyuki said:

Great article, thanks. And, thanks to Seiyashi for the question. I'd always assumed it was only a general term with no specific definition. The article alludes to that view but then defines it. As an engineer/scientist, I rather appreciate solid definitions when possible.

I cannot read the article, but I've always understood that the 10 yusho threshold for a "Dai-Yokozuna" is - although still regarded as valid - a bit outdated as a measure of almighty strenght. I cannot bring up sources for my claim, but I think that the term is most likely to be traced back to the two basho per years era. As everyone knows, the very idea of yusho started out in 1909 when the very idea to reward the tournament winner was first introduced, so the golden standard for "10 yusho" were probably the great Yokozuna of the 1910s like Tachiyama (9 official yusho more 2 pre-1909 tournament wins), Tochigiyama (9 yusho), Okido back in Osaka (10 yusho), and later also Tsunenohana (10 yusho), Tamanishiki (9 yusho), and of course Futabayama (12 yusho). Actually, I have a hunch that the term was actually introduced for Futabayama with a bit of 'thinking back' to the 1910s-1920s in search for precedents.

Anyway, the term certainly means 10 career yusho. In a two basho per year era, it meant that a Yokozuna won almost half of the tournaments in which he participated. In a six basho per year era, a strict parallel would be 30 yusho. But we all know that having six basho per years also means a higher susceptibility to injuries and greater chances to have murky performances. Considering also "recent" precedents (1960-present), a 20 yusho cut-out would make more sense. I reckon that some fan lamented that, if 10 yusho make a Dai-Yokozuna, we are at a loss of terms to define those who fare much better.

That said, 10 yusho still remain a great feat. A first threshold for a Yokozuna is certainly 6 yusho, since Kaio virtually put 5 yusho within the realm of Ozeki performances (Kaio's career make me also long for the old times in the early 1800s where the rope was basically bestowed as a career award). Putting a second threshold at 10 yusho is just fair to me. Not that many Yokozuna ever managed to rack up ten Cups in a career, after all.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Hankegami

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Hey. I didn't see much of the basho (though I did follow the results and caught a few key bouts), but of course I noted that Terunofuji won the yusho. This means he's now equal with Harumafuji for career total with 9, and the most popular choice in this poll has been reached. Can he reach the benchmark ten, as predicted by around 1 in 5 of forum users?

By the way, in winning Hatsu, Terunofuji also completed the Career Grand Slam; that is, he's won at least one yusho in all six honbasho. I'll have to update my infographic when I get the chance.

[I am the Yokozuna 194]

So, 21 only left in the hunt for having the correct guess. 

[Kaito 296]

17 minutes ago, I am the Yokozuna said:

So, 21 only left in the hunt for having the correct guess. 

And now 22! (The poll is still open) 

[Koorifuu 1,003]

Speaking of this poll, does anyone know how @Eikokurai is doing? It's been a few months.

[aderechelsea 125]

I guess no more. So 10-11

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On 27/05/2023 at 15:09, Kishinoyama said:

Sorry to drag up an old poll[…]

 

On 27/05/2023 at 15:55, Hankegami said:

Sorry for contributing to necro-posting[…]

Why on earth is everybody always sorry for digging up an old thread?!

If it is relevant for you, it is by definition relevant.

I hope the netiquette Nazis who came up with such a stupid "rule" all dream in quintuple posts.

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