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27 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Because the gyoji didn't give a signal to start.

Now I"m really confused!  Are  the rikishi allowed to start even BEFORE the gyoji gives the signal??!!  If that's true, I'm shocked!  How EARLY are they allowed to start?  I thought they had to synchronize their breathing.

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28 minutes ago, sumojoann said:

Are  the rikishi allowed to start even BEFORE the gyoji gives the signal??!!

Yup, that's jikan-mae. Use that notion as starting point for further investigation. I'm sure you will find many of your questions already answered.

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2 hours ago, sumojoann said:

How EARLY are they allowed to start? 

Any time after the first salt toss, I believe. As long as there's that mutual consent to start, it's fine.

Last one I saw in makuuchi involved Shohozan about 5-6 years ago.

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On 18/07/2021 at 08:44, Seiyashi said:

He only needs one more. He can win his first match next basho and retire on the spot after his next loss, just like yokozuna used to do in the days of yore.

In MMA and boxing, they remove their gloves and leave them in the middle of the ring.  Hopefully we won't be seeing a mawashi left on the dohyo. (Protesting...)

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(Dohyo-iri...)Hakuhoooo!

Banzai!

Banzai!

Banzai!

(Iamnotworthy...)

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11 hours ago, Yangnomazuma said:

Hopefully we won't be seeing a mawashi left on the dohyo

If it happened I don't think many will be looking at the mawashi.

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On 23/07/2021 at 04:06, sumojoann said:

Now I"m really confused!  Are  the rikishi allowed to start even BEFORE the gyoji gives the signal??!!  If that's true, I'm shocked!  How EARLY are they allowed to start?  I thought they had to synchronize their breathing.

Synchronizing their breathing is between the two rikishi - nothing to do with the gyoji. (They only brought in a time limit once live broadcasts started - before then the preliminaries could go on as long as the rikishi felt they needed.)

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Did Hakuho play any kind of role in the opening ceremony of the olympics? There were lots of talk about that this is very important thing for him as his father was a bronze medalist olympikon in Mexico and this is why he still did not retired as he planned previously.

is there any news about it?

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4 minutes ago, Old Shatterhand is dead said:

Did Hakuho play any kind of role in the opening ceremony of the olympics? There were lots of talk about that this is very important thing for him as his father was a bronze medalist olympikon in Mexico and this is why he still did not retired as he planned previously.

is there any news about it?

Nope. And as usual, we've all jumped in with theories in the Sumo and the Olympics thread over in the Ozumo Discussions subforum, which might interest you.

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On 19/07/2021 at 08:43, Dapeng said:

70% of people in Japan had predicted (or expected) Teru to win. Now some of them blame Hakuho for beating Teru. They probably forget that sumo is a sport and a combat sport. It's not fair to put restrictions on athletes who do not break any role when competing. They will ask him to retire of he cannot win enough, but when he did win enough, they ask him to win "in style".  I don't think it's fair to treat anyone like this. 

By the way, if they don't like certain sumo skills such as henka, harite, nodowa, kachiage,  or any others, they should propose to NSK to forbid those skills. Otherwise please restraint from blaming rikishis for using them on the dohyo. Also, a yokozuna is a human rikishi, not a demigod.

100% agree with you

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On 20/07/2021 at 11:11, Yamanashi said:

From Sun Tzu to Miyamoto Musashi to Indiana Jones to the Dread Pirate Roberts, the win is not tarnished by being smarter than your opponent.

Inconceivable!

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Top 10 records update Nagoya 2021 edition:

- Hakuho extends the yusho record to 45
- Hakuho extends the zensho yusho record to 16
- Terunofuji is going to be removed from the list of most yusho by rikishi who did not make yokozuna because of his promotion
- Miyagino beya has 47 yusho, however this needs to be reviewed because there is research has shown that 2 yusho were won by a wrestler from a previous Miyagino beya that shut down once
- Terunofuji got his 7th jun-yusho. Five more will get him into the top 10
- Mitoryu won his 1st Juryo yusho, needs two more to get into the top 10
- Hakuho extends the career wins record to 1187
- Hakuho extends the makuuchi wins record to 1093
- Suguro's win streak from debut ended at 9 on day 6 of Nagoya 2021
- Ishizaki's win streak from debut ended at 13 on day 13 of Nagoya 2021, ended by Hakuho protégé Hokuseiho
- Fujiseiun is still on a 14 win streak from debut as of Nagoya 2021, his playoff loss to Osanai does not count against his win streak
- Shunrai, younger son of ex-Tokitsuumi begins his career with a 7 match win streak as of Nagoya 2021
- Hakuho extends the Yokozuna wins record to 899
- Hanakaze now has 1450 career bouts, still needs 125 to get into top 10 (at his pace it is exactly 18 basho without kyujo or basho cancellation)
- Hakuho now has 1424 career bouts, needs 151 more to get into the top 10 (at his would be 11 basho without kyujo or basho cancellation)
- Hakuho now has 1282 makuuchi bouts, above him in 7th place is Akinoshima with 1283 bouts
- Tamawashi now has 1361 consecutive career bouts, having passed Terao for 6th place. Above him is 5th place Dairyugawa with 1367 bouts
- Hakuho extends the yokozuna bouts record with 1019 bouts
- Hakuho was ranked in makuuchi for the 102nd basho. Needs 5 more to tie Kaio, which is Natsu 2022
- Hakuho extends the yokozuna basho record to 83
- Tochinoshin climbs up the post ozeki career basho rankings in 10th place with his 10th basho post ozeki demotion
- Takayasu is now in his 9th post ozeki basho, and this will continue now that he failed to regain the rank for Nagoya 2021. He stays off the rankings because of being right behind Tochinoshin
- Mitakeumi is now tied with Tochiozan in 10th place with 25 total basho in the lower sanyaku. He will knock Tochiozan off the list next basho because of his kachi-koshi finish in Nagoya 2021
- Mitakeumi is now in a 3 way tie with Goeido and Takatoriki for most basho at sekiwake with 15 basho, and will pass them next basho thanks to his kk finish at Nagoya 2021
- Hakuho was ranked as a sekitori for the 104th basho, tying Takamiyama in 7th place. Will tie Oshio and Wakanosato in Aki 2021 for 5th place
- Hanakaze competed in his 211th career basho, extending the record. Tenichi and Terunosato competed in their 169th basho, staying in 5th place. Fujinokaze competed in his 167th basho, staying in 7th place. Sawaisamu competed in his 164th basho, staying in 8th place. Itakozakura and Gorikiyama competed in their 163rd basho, staying in 9th place. All mentioned are still active at the end of Nagoya 2021
- Hakuho extends the all time makuuchi kachi-koshi record to 84 basho
- Hakuho got his 86th kachi-koshi as sekitori. Needs 3 more to tie Kaio for the all time record
- Hakuho ties Kaio with 100 kachi-koshi basho for the all time record. 1 more get Hakuho the record
- Shoketsu moves into 10th place on the all time list with 84 basho
- Sawaisamu got his 132nd make-koshi basho, which extends the all time record
- Hanakaze got his 118th make-koshi record, which ties him for 2nd place all time with Kasachikara
- Moriurara got his 96th make-koshi record, which keeps him at 6th place on the all time list
- Terunosato got his 95th make-koshi record, which keeps him at 7th place on the all time list
- Higohikari got his 91st make-koshi record, which moves him into 8th place on the all time list
- Gorikiyama got his 88th make-koshi record, this moves him within 1 basho of getting into the top 10 list
- Akiseyama was kyujo in Nagoya 2021 which counts as his 23rd make-koshi in juryo, which ties him with Tochiisami, Asanobori and Satoyama for 6th place
- Azumaryu got his 19th make-koshi in juryo, 3 more gets him into the top 10
- Wakatakakage becomes the 2nd sandanme tsukedashi to make sanyaku, making it in 26 basho, which is second to Asanoyama
- Ura breaks the previous lowest demotion to makuuchi return set by Terunofuji, the new record is now a return from jonidan 106 west
- Hanakaze now has 774 career losses. 16 more gets him into the top 10
- Shonanzakura now has 104 career losses, extending the record that he himself "broke" when his original run was 89 losses, originally as Hattorizakura
- Hakuho ends the yokozuna yusho drought that started last year, which stops at 7 basho. This is the second longest drought in the 6 basho per year era
- Hakuho got his 78th double digit kachi-koshi basho in makuuchi, which extends the record
- Hakuho got his 79th double digit kachi-koshi basho as a sekitori, which extends the record
- Kyokushuho has been in juryo for 26 consecutive basho. 3 more gets him into the top 10

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On 20/07/2021 at 23:42, Yamanashi said:

Are Mongolian rikishi on average more ruthless?  Hard to say; I don't remember any who went out of their way to help people up, etc., like Kaisei (but he's a foreigner!)  And I haven't felt even an atom's worth of camaraderie between two Mongolians when they oppose each other on the dohyo, so it's not "racism."

You're forgetting about Ichinojō.

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16 minutes ago, Bombur said:

You're forgetting about Ichinojō.

If you mean his lack thereof against Takakeisho, I don't think that's reliable, since there's a difference between "this guy is going all out to murder me, I need to bad pony him first" and "there's obviously something wrong with my aite, I shouldn't compound it".

But if you're referring to his tendency to go soft at the bales, the other one that is brought to mind would be Kyokutenho. Not a particularly ruthless character either.

But then that's probably a reason why they're not yokozuna. The question is whether the Japanese and two American yokozuna were also ruthless in the same way as the Mongolian yokozuna, since presumably reaching yokozuna removes the confounding factors of ability and ambition from the equation.

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2 hours ago, Bombur said:

You're forgetting about Ichinojō.

You're right, I did forget about Ichinojo.  I confessed back on 7/20/2021 23:00 p. 54 (gawd this is a long thread!)

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Ah, the face of Hakuho's demonic co-pilot emerging for a short while. What's there not to like? :-)

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15 hours ago, Seiyashi said:
16 hours ago, Gaijingai said:

Interesting allusion to Takakeisho having to change his style if he wants to avoid further injury from buchigamashi.

I'm keen to see what he can possibly change to.

My worry is that if he could change, he would have changed by now. He's had five significant injury episodes in less than four years and I don't think he will be wrestling at 30.

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On 26/07/2021 at 08:39, Gaijingai said:

I wanted to post this a couple of weeks ago but did not have time to fuss with the photos. Thanks, for the article post, Gaijingai. I'm all out of likes today, as I've spent too much time of the forum...

Hiro was spot-on, IMO, in his decription of the Day 15 bout, but really Day 15 started on Day 14, as Hakuho set the stage of uncertainty and confusion with his unorthodox tactics against Shodai. I know that many in the kyokai and here on the forum disagree with Hakuho's approach, and perhaps we've seen the end of the era now, if the Olympics scandal takes him down, but the kachiage and slaps were only the means to what looked like a foregone conclusion. Sumo is not all in the mind or the attitude, but in the prebout interactions, and even before the niramiai (we all knew who would break the stare and put his hands down first), a non-sumo-fan could have predicted the outcome simply by the looks on the two rikishis' faces.

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