Nagoya Basho 2021

[neonbelly 226]

10 minutes ago, Tochinofuji said:

"Yeah, I'm the tenth neurologist. You got something to say about it?" 

 

1 out of 10 neurologists know how to party.

Edited July 21, 2021 by neonbelly

[Tigerboy1966 1,376]

1 hour ago, Kaninoyama said:

"He shouldn't aim to swing his right elbow into his opponent's face...that's not a kachiage...The Kyokai should take action to make such a dangerous action illegal."

This is what I was thinking. My  understanding is that the kachiage is meant to involve the forearm, whereas the move employed by Hakuko is more of an elbow strike. I don't see use of the elbow on the list of kinjite, but maybe it should be added.

[neonbelly 226]

31 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

This is what I was thinking. My  understanding is that the kachiage is meant to involve the forearm, whereas the move employed by Hakuko is more of an elbow strike. I don't see use of the elbow on the list of kinjite, but maybe it should be added.

Takakeisho, Tamawashi, et al. regularly open a bout by driving the crown of their skull into their opponent's face. Is that a problem for sumo's male grandmothers? ("Male grandmothers" not referring to the quoted poster but rather to formal elbow-objectors).

[Jakusotsu 5,813]

Whenever "Sumo's Male Grandmothers" first album will be released, I'll buy it!

[lackmaker 432]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

Whenever "Sumo's Male Grandmothers" first album will be released, I'll buy it!

Its out next month, called "teaching granny to suck eggs", mainly Elbow cover versions.

[Koorifuu 886]

4 hours ago, Tochinofuji said:

"Yeah, I'm the tenth neurologist. You got something to say about it?" 

"I'm also a neurologist and have something to say."

Edited July 21, 2021 by Koorifuu

[Benihana 1,901]

18 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Looked like a pillow. The stools fold flat but expand out to about that size, yes. Something like this: https://www.solcion.jp/en/product/patatto_seiza.html

I like how in the precautions only one paragraph is written in bold letters. "Please do not use for purposes other than sitting." I'm a depraved man.

[Gospodin 187]

21 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Are Mongolian rikishi on average more ruthless?  Hard to say; I don't remember any who went out of their way to help people up, etc., like Kaisei (but he's a foreigner!)  And I haven't felt even an atom's worth of camaraderie between two Mongolians when they oppose each other on the dohyo, so it's not "racism."

Hoshoryu was visibly shocked and immediately apologized several times after recognizing Ura is badly injured again.

[yorikiried by fate 1,989]

16 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Whenever "Sumo's Male Grandmothers" first album will be released, I'll buy it!

Psychedelic Stoner Rock. Will be awesome.

 

[A friend once told me that he found a band of such persuasion called Ufomammut. When I asked are they any good, he said "WTF are you stupid? They're called Ufomammut!"]

[since_94 650]

On 21/07/2021 at 12:02, neonbelly said:

1 out of 10 neurologists know how to party.

 

[since_94 650]

13 hours ago, Gospodin said:

Hoshoryu was visibly shocked and immediately apologized several times after recognizing Ura is badly injured again.

Godspodin, can you please expand on this bad injury of which you speak? I have not heard anything. News about more Ura setbacks is not what I want to hear, BTW, and I know I'm not alone.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

2 minutes ago, since_94 said:

Godspodin, can you please expand on this bad injury of which you speak? I have not heard anything. News about more Ura setbacks is not what I want to hear, BTW, and I know I'm not alone.

I don't think it was recent. Might have had to do with one of Ura's abortive comebacks prior to his present return to makuuchi.

[Benihana 1,901]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

I don't think it was recent. Might have had to do with one of Ura's abortive comebacks prior to his present return to makuuchi.

Correct. Hatsu 2019, day 10. I think i remember an interview bit, but can't find it. Here's the bout. The outcry of the audience, when they realize Ura injured his knee again...

 

[Kintamayama 44,350]

Hakkaku has cautioned Hakuhou on his shikiri, harite and poses today. His Oyakata was called to the offices. Hakuhou was told what the YDC thought of his antics as well.  

[Seiyashi 4,071]

13 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Hakkaku has cautioned Hakuhou on his shikiri, harite and poses today. His Oyakata was called to the offices. Hakuhou was told what the YDC thought of his antics as well.  

To be clear he's not under a formal warning from the YDC, right? Just a stern talking to from the NSK board (which has less implications......?)?

[Kintamayama 44,350]

1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

To be clear he's not under a formal warning from the YDC, right? Just a stern talking to from the NSK board (which has less implications......?)?

Indeed, so it seems. Bombing sand dunes.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

3 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Indeed, so it seems. Bombing sand dunes.

Which, I presume, means just creating a nice large cloud to no real lasting consequence.

[neonbelly 226]

The YDC et al. have to at least say something, or else they themselves could be fairly criticized for not performing their duties correctly.

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

Takatoriki posted his thoughts about the basho a couple of days ago, and it might surprise some people to know that he was critical in some aspects of Hakuho's conduct. He mentions that Hakuho is free to wrestle and act as he pleases, but at this point in his career, he should be taking into consideration whether he should be thinking about himself, or thinking about those around him. Also, an anonymous source in the NSK told Takatoriki that Hakuho appeared ready to retire if he had lost within the first week

 

[Ichimawashi 573]

On 20/07/2021 at 22:30, Tigerboy1966 said:

This is what I was thinking. My  understanding is that the kachiage is meant to involve the forearm, whereas the move employed by Hakuko is more of an elbow strike. I don't see use of the elbow on the list of kinjite, but maybe it should be added.

Does someone have a screenshot of the point of Hakuho's elbow making clear contact with Teru?  I watched it several times although not in slow motion and concluded that it was 100% forearm, but almost every Hakuho critic continues to use the word elbow.  If he was leading with the point of the elbow to the head, that would be a different thing entirely, but as far as I can see, he's not.  To do so would probably require that he turn his body away and that would likely lead to more losses than wins even if the elbow shot was a success.

Quite frankly, I think Hakuho has come to the conclusion that he will receive criticism win, lose, or absence, so what does it all matter, since they never get as far as making any new rules or threatening serious action?  Can you imagine a mono-ii at the end of a bout and the head judge announcing that all moves were legal but the result was reversed because the winner used tactics unbecoming his rank?  It would make the growing pains of VAR in football look trivial in comparison.

[Yamanashi 3,724]

6 minutes ago, Ichimawashi said:

Does someone have a screenshot of the point of Hakuho's elbow making clear contact with Teru?  I watched it several times although not in slow motion and concluded that it was 100% forearm, but almost every Hakuho critic continues to use the word elbow.  If he was leading with the point of the elbow to the head, that would be a different thing entirely, but as far as I can see, he's not.  To do so would probably require that he turn his body away and that would likely lead to more losses than wins even if the elbow shot was a success.

Quite frankly, I think Hakuho has come to the conclusion that he will receive criticism win, lose, or absence, so what does it all matter, since they never get as far as making any new rules or threatening serious action?  Can you imagine a mono-ii at the end of a bout and the head judge announcing that all moves were legal but the result was reversed because the winner used tactics unbecoming his rank?  It would make the growing pains of VAR in football look trivial in comparison.

Making rule changes to spite Hakuho is just feeding the beast.  It means future rikishi can't use some of his winning tactics.

Wilt Chamberlain's play caused rule changes in the NBA, like banning offensive goaltending, etc.  That just made it harder to score as many points as he did.

[Godango 956]

On 21/07/2021 at 11:00, neonbelly said:

To Hakuho's credit, his apparent desire to use every part of the sumo buffalo has taught me a lot about sumo.

I saw him charge at Tochiozan between the salt throws because (supposedly) he felt the breathing matched and it is, in fact, permissible for the rikishi to start any time, regardless of where they are in the ritual.

Also credit to Murray Johnson, the living bloody legend, immediately recognizing it as "ti-kan-mai", which I don't know how to spell because it's apparently too obscure to google, even.

This will be a different instance, but here's an example of jikan-mae in a bout between the late Tokitenku and Hakuho, Day 7 of Haru 2013:

 

[neonbelly 226]

2 minutes ago, Godango said:

This will be a different instance, but here's an example of jikan-mae in a bout between the late Tokitenku and Hakuho, Day 7 of Haru 2013:

 

My word!

The man has range.

[sumojoann 1,256]

2 hours ago, Godango said:

This will be a different instance, but here's an example of jikan-mae in a bout between the late Tokitenku and Hakuho, Day 7 of Haru 2013:

 

Why wouldn't that be a matta??

[Jakusotsu 5,813]

1 hour ago, sumojoann said:

Why wouldn't that be a matta??

Because the gyoji didn't give a signal to start.