Kintamayama

Nagoya Basho 2021

Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)

Disappointing to see Hakuho win with poor sportsmanship in the form of a forearm blast.
 

I think he is going to retire now.

Edited by Edwardoho
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Impressive show of force. Congratulations!

25 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Quite a bit of screaming and murmuring in the crowd, including an audible kakigoe of Hakuho.

Kakigoe?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well that was disappointing. At least he can’t keep it up. People thinking that he’d be able to stick around for another year are, frankly, deluding themselves.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Benihana said:
28 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Quite a bit of screaming and murmuring in the crowd, including an audible kakigoe of Hakuho.

Kakigoe?

A tradition more associated with Kabuki, where there are semi-professional associations of spectators who call out an actor's name at particularly dramatic moments. Not sure in a sports setting kakigoe is as formal or codified, but that's what the calls of shikona bring to mind - especially as it happens during dohyo-iri too.

Man, I'm itching for a translation of the yusho interview. It seems more introspective than most. My Japanese listening comprehension is absolute pants though.

Edited by Seiyashi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wish someone finally told the NSK of the existence of wireless microphones.

And i hope we'll get a translation of the yusho interview, soon.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, nagora said:

He won't be going anywhere except the Olympics. After that, you may get your wish.

Has the Japanese Olympic Committee confirmed that he will be a part of the opening ceremony? I find that kind of fascinating…a non-native Japanese person representing their national sport on the global stage seems very unusual for Japan. 
 

He clearly deserves the Olympic honor, but he also deserves the toshiyori kabu and won’t be getting that. :-/

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

A tradition more associated with Kabuki, where there are semi-professional associations of spectators who call out an actor's name at particularly dramatic moments. Not sure in a sports setting kakigoe is as formal or codified, but that's what the calls of shikona bring to mind - especially as it happens during dohyo-iri too.

Man, I'm itching for a translation of the yusho interview. It seems more introspective than most. My Japanese listening comprehension is absolute pants though.

Ah, i understand, arigato.

Exactly my thoughts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Congrats to the GOAT, I am disappointed in the result but not due to any dislike of the Hakster.

Edited by Katooshu
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Michishige said:

Has the Japanese Olympic Committee confirmed that he will be a part of the opening ceremony? I find that kind of fascinating…a non-native Japanese person representing their national sport on the global stage seems very unusual for Japan. 
 

He clearly deserves the Olympic honor, but he also deserves the toshiyori kabu and won’t be getting that. :-/

I wonder if he kept the receipt for all those "Hakuho" Olympic Rings kimonos his team are wearing; you can't buy them in the shops. Yet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Michishige said:

I find that kind of fascinating…a non-native Japanese person representing their national sport on the global stage seems very unusual for Japan. 

Not unprecedented. Akebono replaced Takanohana to perform the yokozuna dohyoiri for the Nagano Winter Olympics. Arguably that was a contingency rather than an active choice, but then you could say Akebono's promotion breaking the gaijin glass ceiling wasn't an active choice after 1992 either.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did he say anything about next basho?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Joaoiyama said:

Did he say anything about next basho?

He intends to be there. Wants his 900th win.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

People alleging “ugly sumo”…I dunno. Abema just rolled through replays of all his victories and there were some very colorful, dramatic, and technically skilled finishes among them. A couple of instances of brute power prevailing, a couple of lucky ones. He had it all. Today versus Terunofuji, I thought was the perfect bout under the circumstances. No one slipped, no boring yorikiri or hitakikomi, the harite exchange, they got on the belt, it went long, that awesome stare down as a lead up. I mean, what the heck do people want before they’re satisfied?
 

As for alleging poor sportsmanship for the celebration….whatever. Look at those numbers, will ya?

Edited by since_94
  • Like 10
  • Thanks 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Kitanofuji speculated that a retirement announcement might be forthcoming by Hakuho as the only explanation for his win-at-any-cost attitude the last two days and un-Yokozuna like expression of triumph afterward. 

But nope, it was just Hakuho rejoicing in his latest conquest, and he expressed his intent to continue onward. 

 

Edited by Kaninoyama
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, since_94 said:

I mean, what the heck do people want? 

Hakuho not to lead with a slap AND an elbow to the face. Don't get me wrong. I was happy to see him back and even win but it certainly wasn't beautiful. 

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, since_94 said:

As for alleging poor sportsmanship for the celebration….whatever. Look at those numbers, will ya?

Full ack! Your body is in poor shape, people doubt you and then you pull off a zensho. Even  the japanesiest Japanese would have show at least some emotion in that situation.

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Rocks said:

Hakuho not to lead with a slap AND an elbow to the face. Don't get me wrong. I was happy to see him back and even win but it certainly wasn't beautiful. 

Terunofuji can take it.

The finish was authoritative, to say the least.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, since_94 said:

People alleging “ugly sumo”…I dunno. Abema just rolled through replays of all his victories and there were some very colorful, dramatic, and technically skilled finishes among them. A couple of instances of brute power prevailing, a couple of lucky ones. He had it all. Today versus Terunofuji, I thought was the perfect bout under the circumstances. No one slipped, no boring yorikiri or hitakikomi, the Harriet exchange, they got on the belt, it went long, that awesome stare down as a lead up. I mean, what the heck do people want? 
 

As for alleging poor sportsmanship for the celebration….whatever. Look at those numbers, will ya?

It's more the past two days than anything: avoiding Shodai at the tachiai and then promptly proceeding to brutalise him with harite, then that "wtf" caress into kachiage from the tachiai against Terunofuji today and then proceeding to kotenage the hell out of an injured elbow. As a yokozuna he's expected to not need these kinds of weird shit to win - straight in, mawashi grip from the tachiai, and beat them with straightforward movement or throws. You can't reasonably say that what he did was particularly graceful or inexorable: it was an overwhelming more than an outclassing. If any of his opponents had done that back to him (and only Terunofuji gave as good as he got re the harite), Hakuho mightn't have gotten through the 15 days undefeated or without injury.

The result (16th zensho, 45th yusho) is impressive. The journey to get there wasn't.

And regarding the finish.... that looked like a lot of strain placed on Terunofuji's right elbow. I'm not going to be as charitable about Hakuho if it later turns out that there was injury caused to that elbow. Winning at all costs is one thing, but in a somewhat contradictory fashion, that cost shouldn't include injury to your opponent (even in a combat sport).

Edited by Seiyashi
  • Like 4
  • Thanks 1
  • Confused 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Astonishing result from Hakuho. I wanted him to have a good farewell basho (if this indeed is his last) but did not expect a zensho yusho. Amazing that this is his 100th kachi koshi basho too. He is obviously not as confident as when in his prime but still has the determination and ability to win.  From a 'sports' side of things, this is fantastic. From a 'hinkaku/tradition' point of view, there is some detraction. I probably enjoy the sports side of his performance most and hope he gets the opportunity for an Olympic moment too.

  • Like 6

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, since_94 said:

People alleging “ugly sumo”…I dunno. Abema just rolled through replays of all his victories and there were some very colorful, dramatic, and technically skilled finishes among them. A couple of instances of brute power prevailing, a couple of lucky ones. He had it all. Today versus Terunofuji, I thought was the perfect bout under the circumstances. No one slipped, no boring yorikiri or hitakikomi, the harite exchange, they got on the belt, it went long, that awesome stare down as a lead up. I mean, what the heck do people want before they’re satisfied?
 

As for alleging poor sportsmanship for the celebration….whatever. Look at those numbers, will ya?

Excitement does not preclude ugliness. We got plenty of drama, for sure, but dramatic isn't the same thing as pretty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not to mention Hakuho should have been 11-3 at best going into the final day, had his hairpulls been called.

  • Like 1
  • Confused 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Congratulations to Hakuho the GOAT!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

***

We can always ask the record keepers to put an asterisk beside #45 (and #16 zen yusho) with the annotation: “ugly sumo (as deemed by some pundits)” but somehow I think they won’t.

***

  • Thanks 2
  • Haha 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

People talking crazy, Hakuho did no wrong with a relieving celebration.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Interesting that on NHK, they always flash a news update announcing the winner of the basho right after it happens, but there was no such news flash today.

Instead, several minutes after the last bout they broadcast a news flash announcing that the promotion committee will meet to approve Terunofuji's Yokozuna promotion. 

Edited by Kaninoyama
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now