Nagoya Basho 2021

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

What's with the recent trend of the (mostly) foreign rikishi and their violent harite? Looks like Chiyoshoma was inspired by his countryman Hakuho against Ura.

Ura pulled out the win but was clearly woozy after the bout. 

If this keeps up they're going to have to introduce concussion protocol into sumo. 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Kaninoyama

[Benihana 1,901]

1 minute ago, Kaninoyama said:

What's with the recent trend of the (mostly) foreign rikishi and their violent harite? Looks like Chiyoshoma was inspired by his countryman Hakuho against Ura. 

More like Takawhatshisname vs. Enho. But sadly for Chiyoshoma, Ura isn't Enho.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

6 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

What's with the recent trend of the (mostly) foreign rikishi and their violent harite? Looks like Chiyoshoma was inspired by his countryman Hakuho against Ura.

Ura pulled out the win but was clearly woozy after the bout. 

I cite Takagenji this basho and Ishiura - to a jaw-breaking extent - last basho. That's 2 for 2.

It does feel as if big windup slaps are becoming more common, though.

[Tigerboy1966 1,376]

2 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

What's with the recent trend of the (mostly) foreign rikishi and their violent harite? Looks like Chiyoshoma was inspired by his countryman Hakuho against Ura. 

Chiyoshoma has form in this area and doesn't need any inspiration. In his last basho in juryo he gave one of his opponents (Nishikifuji?) a right old mullering with a bunch of hearty head-shots.

[Katooshu 3,135]

I remember him giving Hokutofuji (who is always respectful despite getting into intense pushing contests) a totally needless face shove after a matta....

 

He's also the guy who glares at opponents when they henka him, even though he uses it plenty himself

 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Katooshu

[Benihana 1,901]

9 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

Apologies to those fine Forum members I've cited above, but this was the most recent comment regarding Aoiyama's dame-oshi.  It is fine to be indignant about the act as it is both unnecessary and dangerous.  Moreover, it isn't called dame-oshi for nothing!

But it is curious that everyone gets upset with Aoiyama when he does it, but when current hero Terunofuji does it (as on Day 4 against Daieisho), ... crickets.  

*ahemm* His dame-oshi are exactly what makes me critical of Teronufuji and why i don't want him as Yokozuna. At least at the end of too many bouts, this man lacks any hinkaku.

[Benihana 1,901]

Wow, kudos to Tobizaru, didn't expect THAT.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Wait a minute ... on the replay of the Hakuho-Shodai bout just now, I couldn't help but notice that Hakuho's left foot touches down outside the dohyo quite a bit earlier than Shodai does. His big toe definitely clipped the edge of the dohyo. The change in direction from where it bounced off is clear. He should be facing Terunofuji one win behind.

25:15 ish is the moment.

 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Good to see glimpses of Tochinoshin's tsuridashi sky crane back. It's sad watching him struggle this much with injury; his comeback story was hot off the press when I first started watching sumo, and it's equally sad to see that he's no longer going to be mentioned as the best comeback ever (coming back from Ms55 to earn promotion to ozeki, and even regain it once). But he had his time in the limelight, and it's also good to see that he's still fighting.

Seems like Tobizaru decided not to live up to his namesake today. Morozashi first thing and clung on to Tamawashi's mawashi like a baby for the entire bout. Maybe he saw what Tamawashi did to Hokutofuji and got the wind up.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Just now, Eikokurai said:

Wait a minute ... on the replay of the Hakuho-Shodai bout just now, I couldn't help but notice that Hakuho's left foot touches down outside the dohyo quite a bit earlier than Shodai does. His big toe definitely clipped the edge of the dohyo. The change in direction from where it bounced off is clear. He should be facing Terunofuji one win behind.

25:15 ish is the moment.

 

Yeah, but Shodai was definitely dead at that point as well. If you go back a frame or two, Hakuho's foot wouldn't have touched and Shodai would still be dead, so Shodai had clearly lost by then and Hakuho's foot touching first doesn't magically reverse that loss.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Just now, Seiyashi said:

Yeah, but Shodai was definitely dead at that point as well. If you go back a frame or two, Hakuho's foot wouldn't have touched and Shodai would still be dead, so Shodai had clearly lost by then and Hakuho's foot touching first doesn't magically reverse that loss.

I've seen those called the other way enough times. Shodai is still attempting a move, which is what put Hakuho to his side in the first place.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Eikokurai

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Another impressive basho by Hoshoryu. Once he puts on another 10 kilos he's going to be more of a beast than he already is.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Kaninoyama

[Katooshu 3,135]

Watching the replay, Shodai was clearly attempting an utchari, which a dead man doesn't do.

[Eikokurai 3,433]

Just now, Katooshu said:

Watching the replay, Shodai was clearly attempting an utchari, which a dead man doesn't do.

That was my feeling too. Robbery!

[Asashosakari 18,786]

5 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Good to see glimpses of Tochinoshin's tsuridashi sky crane back. It's sad watching him struggle this much with injury; his comeback story was hot off the press when I first started watching sumo, and it's equally sad to see that he's no longer going to be mentioned as the best comeback ever (coming back from Ms55 to earn repromotion to ozeki).

Not re- for Tochinoshin.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Hoshoryu has me convinced. Sanyaku soon.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Katooshu

[Thorbjarn 214]

Hoshoryu looked to have amazing potential since he was in Maezumo, good to see him deliver. His power appears to be growing. 

I don't have any skills in Japanese, did Ura and Hoshoryu both get sansho? 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

1 minute ago, Asashosakari said:

Not re- for Tochinoshin.

Thanks for the catch. Might have gotten two T-ozeki confused in my head...

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

5 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

That was my feeling too. Robbery!

Hakuho's strategy was to act so outrageously that no one would notice that he had lost the actual bout. 

And it worked. 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Kaninoyama

[Katooshu 3,135]

Only Hosh...

[Seiyashi 4,071]

2 minutes ago, Thorbjarn said:

Hoshoryu looked to have amazing potential since he was in Maezumo, good to see him deliver. His power appears to be growing. 

I don't have any skills in Japanese, did Ura and Hoshoryu both get sansho? 

Ura wasn't even up for a special prize. Hoshoryu got the Technique prize unconditionally. Kotonowaka won to get the Fighting Spirit Prize, but Tamawashi missed out on a conditional Fighting Spirit Prize after he lost to Tobizaru rather unexpectedly. No awardees for the Outstanding Performance Prize; not surprising when the only debutant is fighting for KK at the bum end of the division and the two leaders are undefeated.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Katooshu 3,135]

Nice tournament for Ichi

[since_94 650]

Please cease and desist with all discussions of what Hakuho’s toe might or might not have done and Shodai’s loss. It’s not that we’re against free speech and healthy speculation. It’s just that certain compromises must be made for the sake of…the narrative. After all, where would we be without it?

Signed, 

Judging department, NSK

Edited July 18, 2021 by since_94

[Katooshu 3,135]

We are getting close to the mega showdown!! 

[Thorbjarn 214]

3 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Ura wasn't even up for a special prize. Hoshoryu got the Technique prize unconditionally. 

Thanks for clearing this up. I heard Ura and something that sounded like sansho earlier, but as I said, non-existant skills in Japanese.