Nagoya Basho 2021

[Kashunowaka 300]

9 hours ago, Kujo said:

This forum needs a :beer emoji.

[Kujo 116]

  Thanks kashunowaka, there it is!

   I found this one also, haven't seen either before.

[Washuyama 635]

18 minutes ago, Kashunowaka said:

[Eikokurai 3,433]

1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

But it is curious that everyone gets upset with Aoiyama when he does it, but when current hero Terunofuji does it (as on Day 4 against Daieisho), ... crickets.  

I’m not sure I saw it. I’ll have to go back and look. But the short answer would be that both would be unreasonable, not that Aoiyama gets off the hook too. If Chiyonokuni had been injured by that backwards fall off the dohyo – something entirely possible – we wouldn’t even be looking for nuance. Aoiyama is only fortunate his opponent knows how to fall and has the reaction time to prevent injury.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Terunofuji's wasn't anywhere near as blatant - it basically all happened in 1 motion as part of the winning sequence.

Aoiyama on the other hand actually paused his attack once Chiyonokuni was out and had stopped competing, then gives him a big shove as if he took a moment to think about whether to do it or not. Add to it that Chiyonokuni took quite a spill and fell to the ground, it looked worse and was easier to notice, and thus easier to go after big Dan.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Katooshu

[sumojoann 1,256]

2 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

It would be cool, just for the awkwardness.  You might think that (statistically) it would happen half of the time!  This leads to a question that  maybe someone can answer: what's the ratio of right-hand to left-hand henka?  Do some rikishi clearly favor one side?  I would bet some do.

Here are a series of 8 videos featuring only henkas.  I suspect that the direction taken may have something to do with whether a rikishi is left or right handed.  I am mainly left handed and if I were a rikishi, I would always go clockwise.  Counter-clockwise would feel very weird to my brain.  But since I am not totally left handed (only doing specific things left handed), I don't think that one can make sweeping assumptions about what direction other rikishi would go.  **** @Yamanashi **** If you feel up to it, you could watch these 8 henka videos & note which direction the rikishi went & add them up to get a final score.  However, the results are going to be skewed because the same rikishi appear more than once (Chiyoshoma as well as others).  I suspect that any given rikishi would always go in the same direction consistently.  I hope Hakuho doesn't have henka on his mind for the final battle with Terunofuji. 

 

[since_94 650]

3 hours ago, Kaminariyuki said:

I think Hakuho was taking Shodai out of his comfort zone, forcing him to deal with a situation he certainly wasn't expecting. 

It was clear to see from his body language that by the end, after the third slap, Shodai just wanted it to be over. Poor guy’s psyche gonna be scarred forever by that unforgettable bout.

[Yamanashi 3,724]

1 hour ago, sumojoann said:

Here are a series of 8 videos featuring only henkas.  I suspect that the direction taken may have something to do with whether a rikishi is left or right handed.  I am mainly left handed and if I were a rikishi, I would always go clockwise.  Counter-clockwise would feel very weird to my brain.  But since I am not totally left handed (only doing specific things left handed), I don't think that one can make sweeping assumptions about what direction other rikishi would go.  **** @Yamanashi **** If you feel up to it, you could watch these 8 henka videos & note which direction the rikishi went & add them up to get a final score.  However, the results are going to be skewed because the same rikishi appear more than once (Chiyoshoma as well as others).  I suspect that any given rikishi would always go in the same direction consistently.  I hope Hakuho doesn't have henka on his mind for the final battle with Terunofuji. 

 

Well, I saw about the first 1 1/2 (didn't realize they were coming one after another!)

~75% Left, 24% R, 1% other (up?)

Interestingly, Takamiyama had a strong preference for a right-hand henka.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Yamanashi

[Asojima 2,870]

9 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

 

Interestingly, Takamiyama had a strong preference for a right-hand henka.

Takamiyama had a stronger preference for being victimized by henka.  We would watch his matches on TV and yell a warning to him.  He would ignore our efforts.  

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Since it's about yesterday's controversial sumo I'm cross-posting this here with the Kitanofuji Stuff thread.

 

In his daily Chunichi sports column, Kitanofuji weighed in on yesterday's Hakuho bout. To say he wasn't a fan of Hakuho's approach is an understatement. 

"I've been in the sumo world for 69 years and have seen all kinds of sumo, but I've never been this stunned." 

"Up to now I've taken pride as one who understands Hakuho, but as of today I'm finished." 

"Does he want to win so badly that even after 44 yushos he would resort to such dirty tactics?"

"I've got no interest in tomorrow's last match. I'm so mad I'm going to eat and go to bed."

Source

[Katooshu 3,135]

Hak was just doing his best Tobizaru impression.

[Jesinofuji 11]

What an exciting day of Sumo we have ahead of us! So exciting that I need to make my first prediction in years.

Hakuho wins, securing his Zensho.

 

However, with 14-1, Terunofuji is promoted to Yokozuna anyway.

May the Sumo gods smile upon us all. Happy Senshuraku!

[808morgan 805]

2 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Well, I saw about the first 1 1/2 (didn't realize they were coming one after another!)

~75% Left, 24% R, 1% other (up?)

Interestingly, Takamiyama had a strong preference for a right-hand henka.

I miss Aminishiki 

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

11 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Sansho predictions:

no shukun-sho

Kanto-sho: Tamawashi and Kotonowaka

Gino-sho: Ura and Hoshoryu

All conditional

No love for Ura by the NSK, but I got 3 of four right. Hoshoryu actually has his gino-sho guaranteed regardless of outcome

[Gurowake 3,915]

3 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

No love for Ura by the NSK, but I got 3 of four right. Hoshoryu actually has his gino-sho guaranteed regardless of outcome

As can be seen here on Twitter:

Kotonowaka and Tamawashi must win.

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

Is that Goeido? Hard to tell with the mask...

[Gurowake 3,915]

4 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Is that Goeido? Hard to tell with the mask...

I believe it is Takekuma according to the Google translate, so I guess so.

[Rocks 1,807]

Kind of surprised by nothing for Ura considering coming all the way back and beating a Komusubi from such a low rank. 

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

2 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Kind of surprised by nothing for Ura considering coming all the way back and beating a Komusubi from such a low rank. 

The hairpull probably did him in. You would think though that they would consider him considering all he's gone through. If they can give Aminishiki a kanto-sho for going 8-7, while not at least make it condition for Ura to get a prize at 9-5. Reminds me of his second basho where he went 11-4 and they didn't give him anything

[Eikokurai 3,433]

35 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

As can be seen here on Twitter:

Kotonowaka and Tamawashi must win.

Harsh on Kotonowaka. 12 wins for a sansho? Tamawashi is at least a veteran with a yusho to his name so it makes some sense he’d be set a higher bar, but that’s tough on Koto.

[Katooshu 3,135]

How long does it typically take after day 15 for a yokozuna promotion to be announced? 

[Katooshu 3,135]

And Murata definitely up to juryo, adding to the list of Sd100TD sekitori! Glad to see after he's been through injury and a tough makushita grind. Let's see if former college teammate and current stablemate Terasawa (6-1 at Ms6) can do it next basho.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Katooshu

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

13 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

How long does it typically take after day 15 for a yokozuna promotion to be announced? 

According to Wikipedia, in 2014 the YDC recommended Kakuryu for promotion on March 24 and the NSK confirmed him on March 26. The basho ended March 23.

For Kisenosato in 2017, the YDC recommended him for promotion on January 23, and the NSK confirmed him on January 25. The basho ended January 22.

Based on the above, we'll know the day after the basho if Teru is in or not

[Ichimawashi 573]

I don't recall ever reading on the forums a recap of Hakkaku's speeches on Day 1 or 15.  Are they so 'meh' it is not worth a summary by those who can translate?

[Katooshu 3,135]

Mitoryu juryo yusho, no playoff for Abi