Nagoya Basho 2021

[Seiyashi 4,072]

2 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

4 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Blatant dame-oshi by Aoiyama there. Who does he think he is. Hakuho?

One of the worst I've ever seen. Kaisei should have a word with him. 

Looks like he took serious exception to being slapped around the head as much as he was in the bout.

On rewatching the bouts, it turns out that Tamawashi has drawn level with Terao in joint 6th for all time consecutive bouts at 1359, and will definitely be in sole 6th by the time the basho completes, at 1361. He will surpass Dairyugawa in sole 5th by the end of Aki with 1376, but will have 4 more basho to go to beat Takamiyama's 1425 and another 2 to beat Takatoriki's 1453. 

Speaking of Tamawashi, Herouth mentioned on Twitter that he has applied for Japanese citizenship (I have yet to find a official source that corroborates this, although my Japanese google-fu is abysmal). That suggests he'll be sticking around in honbasho for a while, which means he will likely end his career as at least the third on the all time consecutive bouts list, and we will see him around in the future as Kataonami-oyakata, and the successor to Shibatayama as the resident baker of the NSK.

Edited July 16, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Jakusotsu 5,873]

44 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

If Tamawashi and Kotonowaka didn't have the decency to win today, leading by four wins on day 13 would have been a first.

Not true, see Asashoryu in Hatsu 2005:
http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/34111-trivia-bits/?do=findComment&comment=446858

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by Jakusotsu

[Yubinhaad 11,594]

22 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Speaking of Tamawashi, Herouth mentioned on Twitter that he has applied for Japanese citizenship (I have yet to find a official source that corroborates this, although my Japanese google-fu is abysmal). That suggests he'll be sticking around in honbasho for a while, which means he will likely end his career as at least the third on the all time consecutive bouts list, and we will see him around in the future as Kataonami-oyakata, and the successor to Shibatayama as the resident baker of the NSK.

It's mentioned in this article; Kataonami-oyakata (former Sekiwake Tamakasuga) says he has already completed the process, so I suppose it's now just a case of waiting for the paperwork to go through.

[dada78641 884]

So I'm wondering if anyone can remind me what the consensus is on Terunofuji's promotion prospects. He's going to get at least jun-yusho, which is not two consecutive yusho as ozeki but as close to it as you can get. Does "or equivalent" apply here?

I do actually hope he takes a final day win over an equally undefeated Hakuho. Looks like he has Takayasu tomorrow, and Hakuho has Shodai.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

4 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Blatant dame-oshi by Aoiyama there. Who does he think he is. Hakuho?

It’s a funny old sport when Ura can be disqualified for a questionable hairpull but nothing happens when you blatantly shove an opponent off the dohyo after they’re clearly already beaten. Shameful stuff. Never liked Aoiyama much. Like him less today.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

43 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Looks like he took serious exception to being slapped around the head as much as he was in the bout

Which would be a bit rich considering he landed a huge kachiage on Chiyonokuni right from the tachiai and then pummelled his face. What he got back was nothing.

[Seiyashi 4,072]

9 minutes ago, dada78641 said:

So I'm wondering if anyone can remind me what the consensus is on Terunofuji's promotion prospects. He's going to get at least jun-yusho, which is not two consecutive yusho as ozeki but as close to it as you can get. Does "or equivalent" apply here?

I do actually hope he takes a final day win over an equally undefeated Hakuho. Looks like he has Takayasu tomorrow, and Hakuho has Shodai.

Well, to quibble, a doten would generally be closer to 2 consecutive yusho than a JY, but I take the point that either way Terunofuji is looking at a 14-1 anyway.

I'd say if he beats Takayasu, he's promoted no matter what. Losing to an existing yokozuna but giving him a good fight shouldn't disqualify you from the rope yourself.

There'll be a lot more hemming and hawing if he can't beat Takayasu and loses to Hakuho as well. It can be argued that Takayasu is ozeki-class himself, but 13-2 JY, only equalling your best records, when the yusho winner is 15-0, is a lot less impressive than a 14-1.

[Rocks 1,807]

I would agree Ichinojo got robbed there. 

As far as Terunofuji I don't think he needs to do any more to get the rope. He is sole Jun-Yusho and is guaranteed to be in contention for the yusho on Day 15 against a Yokozuna.

[Rocks 1,807]

Interesting matchup of Ura and Meisei on Day 14. Winner gets a sansho probably?

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Hakuho not amused at the outcome of Terunofuji’s bout today

Edited July 16, 2021 by Eikokurai

[Seiyashi 4,072]

6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Hakuho not amused at the outcome of Terunofuji’s bout today

Interestingly, the exact same could be said of Terunofuji's expressions at the end of each Hakuho bout.

[ViscountessNivlac 24]

Terunofuji did finally best Takayasu last basho, and Takayasu is at least supposed to be hurt. I think the Kaiju’s getting that rope.

[Godango 973]

The rope is his to lose. For my money, 14-1 JY will be enough. He'd need to show strong sumo throughout though.

That said, I have a hard time not seeing him raising the cup.

[Kotogouryuu 127]

21 minutes ago, Godango said:

That said, I have a hard time not seeing him raising the cup.

Hakuho will have scouted his technique by now. He leads with his left leg, meaning his right one isn't as strong. Hakuho will try to exploit this, and being Hakuho, he just might succeed.

Edited July 16, 2021 by Kotogouryuu

[Asashosakari 18,959]

1 hour ago, Rocks said:

As far as Terunofuji I don't think he needs to do any more to get the rope. He is sole Jun-Yusho and is guaranteed to be in contention for the yusho on Day 15 against a Yokozuna.

This would be my take as well.

[rokudenashi 296]

Don't really understand the issue taken with Aoiyama's sumo today. Not to mention he was facing Chiyonokuni, who loves a bit of kenka himself...

If anything, I enjoy the role Aoiyama plays as 70s puroresu foreign heel. He's not there to be liked!

Edited July 16, 2021 by rokudenashi

[robnplunder 975]

It's about time we get a new Yokozuna and I think Terunofuji's record speakes for itself.  If he doesn't get it, I'd be surprised.

There were some interesting monoiis (and at least one no-call) on day 13.  I hate to see Ura lose it but he clearly looked to be guilty of a hair pull.  

Other than the Teruno & Hak sprinting to 13-0 records, this basho has been ho-hum.  Early exit by Takakeisho, no Asanoyama took some air out early.  

Hoshoryu continues his steady (2 steps forward, one step back) march to the top. He is about a year ahead of Chiyonofuji's pace.  Whether Hoshoryu can reach the top or not is uncertain but IMO, he is the best of the current prospects.  

[Seiyashi 4,072]

3 minutes ago, rokudenashi said:

Don't really understand the issue taken with Aoiyama's sumo today. Not to mention he was facing Chiyonokuni, who loves a bit of kenka himself...

If anything, I enjoy the role Aoiyama plays as 70s puroresu foreign heel. He's not there to be liked!

I think the issue taken was with precisely what wasn't sumo, since the bout was clearly over to all parties concerned at that point. What goes on in the ring stays in the ring, and Chiyonokuni was already out by then.

[Joaoiyama 307]

"Chris Sumo" declared that Terunofuji is guaranteed promotion to Yokozuna because Isegahama said 13 wins meets the criteria. Now everyone in the comment section is congratulating Yokozuna Terunofuji.  

[Seiyashi 4,072]

5 minutes ago, Joaoiyama said:

"Chris Sumo" declared that Terunofuji is guaranteed promotion to Yokozuna because Isegahama said 13 wins meets the criteria. Now everyone in the comment section is congratulating Yokozuna Terunofuji.  

If only it were that simple.... I'm almost hoping Terunofuji loses the next two bouts in the most unyokozuna like manner, if only to see Chris have to backpedal or embarrass himself by alleging more racist conspiracies.

[RabidJohn 1,721]

22 minutes ago, rokudenashi said:

Don't really understand the issue taken with Aoiyama's sumo today. 

There was nothing wrong with Aoiyama's sumo today - right up to the point where he lost his temper and administered a dame-oshi, which is a shove after the bout was won.

It happens, but this one looked really bad. It's not something he'd get disqualified for, but I hope he at least gets a good bollocking from his boss.

12 minutes ago, Joaoiyama said:

"Chris Sumo" declared that Terunofuji is guaranteed promotion to Yokozuna because Isegahama said 13 wins meets the criteria.

I've noticed people have short memories on this subject. All this talk of Teru needing a yusho or 14-1 is so much ill-informed blather. Cba to link it, but yeah, go look at what Isegahama said back in May when he confirmed his boy was tsunatori.

He's already done the back to back yusho thing! All Teru's doing now is showing they could've trusted him with a rope then.

Edited July 16, 2021 by RabidJohn

[Asashosakari 18,959]

24 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

If only it were that simple.... I'm almost hoping Terunofuji loses the next two bouts in the most unyokozuna like manner, if only to see Chris have to backpedal or embarrass himself by alleging more racist conspiracies.

Much as I'd find that amusing, I'd rather see Terunofuji go 13-2 and get promoted anyway, just so all and sundry will finally shut up about Kisenosato's "undeserved" promotion.

[Kotogouryuu 127]

 

2 hours ago, Godango said:

For my money, 14-1 JY will be enough. He'd need to show strong sumo throughout though.

It would be odd to deny him. It is "two consecutive yusho or equivalent". We've seen less to be concidered equivalent than JY-JY-Y-Y-JY.

What I think will happen is Hakuho and Terunofuji will meet 14-0, with Hakuho taking the zensho and Terunofuji getting the rope anyway.

I just think Hakuho's skillset will allow him to attack Terunofuji's weaknesses. This is one case, however, where I would be glad to be proven wrong.

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by Kotogouryuu

[Kotogouryuu 127]

2 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Much as I'd find that amusing, I'd rather see Terunofuji go 13-2 and get promoted anyway, just so all and sundry will finally shut up about Kisenosato's "undeserved" promotion.

They won't. They'll just appeal to Terunofuji's better recent record.

[Seiyashi 4,072]

5 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

31 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

If only it were that simple.... I'm almost hoping Terunofuji loses the next two bouts in the most unyokozuna like manner, if only to see Chris have to backpedal or embarrass himself by alleging more racist conspiracies.

Much as I'd find that amusing, I'd rather see Terunofuji go 13-2 and get promoted anyway, just so all and sundry will finally shut up about Kisenosato's "undeserved" promotion.

Or continue crabbing, this time with Terunofuji as the target.