Ichimawashi 573 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 1. Grab a list of all 70 shikona from the current (March 2021) banzuke, Makuuchi and Juryo. Remove all other info and place into a text file. 2. Capitalize everything. 3. Either: . . . 3a. Remove all the vowels, or . . . 3b. Remove all the consonants 4. Alphabetize what remains. 5. Now see if you can restore the original lists. Good luck! (Apologies to those who prefer the longer version of Anglification (Hakuhou instead of Hakuho), sumodb has the shorter and this is what I am using. Y is always a consonant for the purpose of simplicity, although it might have been easier the other way!) Here is the no-vowels version: BSHZN CHNJ CHRNM CHYMMT CHYMR CHYN CHYNKN CHYNM CHYSHM CHYTR CHYTRY DMM DSH DSHMR HDNM HKH HKTFJ HKYZN HSHRY JKRY K KGYK KKRY KNM KRBYM KS KSYM KTK KTNWK KTSHH KYKSHH KYKTS MDRFJ MS MTKM MTRY MYGRY ND NH NSH NSHKFJ NSHKG R RYDN SDNM SHD SHHZN SHMNM SHR SNYM TBZR TCHNSHN THKRY TKGNJ TKKNT TKKSH TKNSH TKRFJ TKSHRY TKYS TMWSH TRNFJ TRTSYSH TSRGSH WKMTHR WKTKKG YG YM YTKYM ZMRY The no-consonants version has several duplicates and is a step up in difficulty: AAAAAE AAAI (2) AAAU AAAUI AAEI AAEIO AAEO AAOAA AAOO AAOOAU AAOUI AIAAI AIEAA AIEI AIEIO AIOAU AO AOIAA AUA AUAU AUO AUOA AUU EIEI EO (2) EUOUI EUUOI IAEUI IAOUI IEOUI IIAAA IIAAOO IIII IIIUI IIOO IIUA IOAIU IOAU IOIUI IOOA IOOO IOOOI IOOUI (2) IOU OAI OAUU OIAU OIOI OIOUI OIU OOA OOEO OOO OOOAA OOOO OOU (2) OUAIEI OUOU OUOUI OUUO UA UAAAA UAOUI UE UOA UUIO Edited March 14, 2021 by Ichimawashi 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,506 Posted March 14, 2021 Some are trivial, others very difficult (I'm not cheating by using a banzuke or anything). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,049 Posted March 14, 2021 The consonant version is fairly easy. The vowel version is an exercise from hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakura 1,375 Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Ichimawashi said: AIEIO Old McDonald had a farm... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ichimawashi 573 Posted March 14, 2021 I was actually baffled by 'R' until I watched him win by ashitori tonight. Aha! :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,871 Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Sakura said: Old McDonald had a farm... No. Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,049 Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Sakura said: 4 hours ago, Ichimawashi said: AIEIO Old McDonald had a farm... There is an EIEI... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 43,568 Posted March 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Seiyashi said: The consonant version is fairly easy. The vowel version is an exercise from hell. For me, the other way around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,049 Posted March 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: For me, the other way around. That's very interesting from a linguistic perspective. Do you mind me asking why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 43,568 Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Seiyashi said: That's very interesting from a linguistic perspective. Do you mind me asking why? I have no idea but I read through them without stopping except for two. The one with no consonants, on the other hand, was impossible for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,049 Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: 1 hour ago, Seiyashi said: That's very interesting from a linguistic perspective. Do you mind me asking why? I have no idea but I read through them without stopping except for two. The one with no consonants, on the other hand, was impossible for me. Oh! I thought you meant you could read the vowels-only shikona but couldn't see the consonants-only versions. That's what I meant originally as well - I could read the no-vowels version, but no-consonants was also impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 43,568 Posted March 14, 2021 And there are two K's, although one is not a sktr for now. And DS.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 565 Posted March 14, 2021 AAAAAE was easy. The rest, not so much Speaking of K, where is the IIOI? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,506 Posted March 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, hakutorizakura said: AAAAAE was easy. The rest, not so much Speaking of K, where is the IIOI? Alas, he's in AUIA -- excuse me, Makushita. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ichimawashi 573 Posted March 14, 2021 Wait a second, then: who is K? :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,506 Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Ichimawashi said: Wait a second, then: who is K? :) Ikioi the Crow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 781 Posted March 15, 2021 CHYMMT had me scratching my head for a while, couldn't remember any Kokonoe rikishi with such a long shikona... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 1,977 Posted March 16, 2021 That reminds me that I once tried to teach one of my children vowels with the helpful example of Aeiouyama. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,287 Posted March 16, 2021 Amazing how easy the consonant only version was. Do we even need vowels? I think Hebrew got along just fine without them for a few centuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,506 Posted March 16, 2021 58 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said: Amazing how easy the consonant only version was. Do we even need vowels? I think Hebrew got along just fine without them for a few centuries. Info is lost if we take a language that uses vowels already and then remove them. If I ask "what's for dinner" and the answer is "rgt", I'd prefer to have rigati instead of ergot. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,049 Posted March 16, 2021 36 minutes ago, Yamanashi said: 1 hour ago, Tigerboy1966 said: Amazing how easy the consonant only version was. Do we even need vowels? I think Hebrew got along just fine without them for a few centuries. Info is lost if we take a language that uses vowels already and then remove them. If I ask "what's for dinner" and the answer is "rgt", I'd prefer to have rigati instead of ergot. To be fair, AFAIK abjad languages like Hebrew and variants of Arabic generally use vowels for grammatical inflexion rather than core meaning, so that is less of an issue compared to syllabaries or alphabets. The ease of deciphering the consonant version outside of an abjad context is probably more to do with, and related to, our brains' ability to infer from context, since the consonant version simply provides more clues compared to vowels (<20 vs 5, roughly, after discarding letters simply not used in romaji). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites