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1. Grab a list of all 70 shikona from the current (March 2021) banzuke, Makuuchi and Juryo.  Remove all other info and place into a text file.
2. Capitalize everything.
3. Either:
 . . . 3a. Remove all the vowels, or
 . . . 3b. Remove all the consonants
4. Alphabetize what remains.
5. Now see if you can restore the original lists.

Good luck! 
(Apologies to those who prefer the longer version of Anglification (Hakuhou instead of Hakuho), sumodb has the shorter and this is what I am using.  Y is always a consonant for the purpose of simplicity, although it might have been easier the other way!)

Here is the no-vowels version:

BSHZN
CHNJ
CHRNM
CHYMMT
CHYMR
CHYN
CHYNKN
CHYNM
CHYSHM
CHYTR
CHYTRY
DMM
DSH
DSHMR
HDNM
HKH
HKTFJ
HKYZN
HSHRY
JKRY
K
KGYK
KKRY
KNM
KRBYM
KS
KSYM
KTK
KTNWK
KTSHH
KYKSHH
KYKTS
MDRFJ
MS
MTKM
MTRY
MYGRY
ND
NH
NSH
NSHKFJ
NSHKG
R
RYDN
SDNM
SHD
SHHZN
SHMNM
SHR
SNYM
TBZR
TCHNSHN
THKRY
TKGNJ
TKKNT
TKKSH
TKNSH
TKRFJ
TKSHRY
TKYS
TMWSH
TRNFJ
TRTSYSH
TSRGSH
WKMTHR
WKTKKG
YG
YM
YTKYM
ZMRY
 

The no-consonants version has several duplicates and is a step up in difficulty:

AAAAAE
AAAI (2)
AAAU
AAAUI
AAEI
AAEIO
AAEO
AAOAA
AAOO
AAOOAU
AAOUI
AIAAI
AIEAA
AIEI
AIEIO
AIOAU
AO
AOIAA
AUA
AUAU
AUO
AUOA
AUU
EIEI
EO (2)
EUOUI
EUUOI
IAEUI
IAOUI
IEOUI
IIAAA
IIAAOO
IIII
IIIUI
IIOO
IIUA
IOAIU
IOAU
IOIUI
IOOA
IOOO
IOOOI
IOOUI (2)
IOU
OAI
OAUU
OIAU
OIOI
OIOUI
OIU
OOA
OOEO
OOO
OOOAA
OOOO
OOU (2)
OUAIEI
OUOU
OUOUI
OUUO
UA
UAAAA
UAOUI
UE
UOA
UUIO
 

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Some are trivial, others very difficult (I'm not cheating by using a banzuke or anything).

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The consonant version is fairly easy. The vowel version is an exercise from hell.

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2 hours ago, Ichimawashi said:

AIEIO

Old McDonald had a farm...

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I was actually baffled  by 'R' until I watched him win by ashitori tonight.  Aha! :)

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1 hour ago, Sakura said:

Old McDonald had a farm...

No.

Spoiler

 

(Laughing...)

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2 hours ago, Sakura said:
4 hours ago, Ichimawashi said:

AIEIO

Old McDonald had a farm...

There is an EIEI...

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4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

The consonant version is fairly easy. The vowel version is an exercise from hell.

For me, the other way around. 

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14 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

For me, the other way around. 

That's very interesting from a linguistic perspective. Do you mind me asking why?

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1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

That's very interesting from a linguistic perspective. Do you mind me asking why?

I have no idea but I read through them without stopping except for two. The one with no consonants, on the other hand, was impossible for me. 

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4 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:
1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

That's very interesting from a linguistic perspective. Do you mind me asking why?

I have no idea but I read through them without stopping except for two. The one with no consonants, on the other hand, was impossible for me. 

Oh! I thought you meant you could read the vowels-only shikona but couldn't see the consonants-only versions. That's what I meant originally as well - I could read the no-vowels version, but no-consonants was also impossible.

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And there are two K's, although one is not a sktr for now. And DS.. 

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15 minutes ago, hakutorizakura said:

AAAAAE was easy. The rest, not so much :-D

Speaking of K, where is the IIOI?

Alas, he's in AUIA -- excuse me, Makushita.

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2 hours ago, Ichimawashi said:

Wait a second, then: who is K?  :)

Ikioi the Crow.

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CHYMMT had me scratching my head for a while, couldn't remember any Kokonoe rikishi with such a long shikona...

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Amazing how easy the consonant only version was. Do we even need vowels? I think Hebrew got along just fine without them for a few centuries.

 

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58 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Amazing how easy the consonant only version was. Do we even need vowels? I think Hebrew got along just fine without them for a few centuries.

 

Info is lost if we take a language that uses vowels already and then remove them.  If I ask "what's for dinner" and the answer is "rgt", I'd prefer to have rigati instead of ergot.

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36 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:
1 hour ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Amazing how easy the consonant only version was. Do we even need vowels? I think Hebrew got along just fine without them for a few centuries.

 

Info is lost if we take a language that uses vowels already and then remove them.  If I ask "what's for dinner" and the answer is "rgt", I'd prefer to have rigati instead of ergot.

To be fair, AFAIK abjad languages like Hebrew and variants of Arabic generally use vowels for grammatical inflexion rather than core meaning, so that is less of an issue compared to syllabaries or alphabets. The ease of deciphering the consonant version outside of an abjad context is probably more to do with, and related to, our brains' ability to infer from context, since the consonant version simply provides more clues compared to vowels (<20 vs 5, roughly, after discarding letters simply not used in romaji).

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