Rikishi Status - 2021 Haru Basho

[ryafuji 811]

5 hours ago, pricklypomegranate said:

Ikioi, Kotoyuki out. They are not coming back to sekitori in one basho, if at all. 

Why has Ikioi not retired? 

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11 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

Why has Ikioi not retired? 

It could be because his retirement would also cause a big change in the life of his partner/wife, who is the big earner at the top of her career at the moment.

[Kintamayama 44,646]

1 hour ago, specialweek 2 said:

What about the Rikishi from these two Heya?

 

In. 

[Raishu 207]

1 hour ago, orandashoho said:

 

It could be because his retirement would also cause a big change in the life of his partner/wife, who is the big earner at the top of her career at the moment.

What would that big change be specifically?

I guess Ikioi's postponed retirement is rather related to kabu-negotiations in the background. Since his Kasugayama share is in use at the moment, him picking up the name right away would cause another retired rikishi (ex-Bushuyama) to be jobless within the blink of an eye.

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19 minutes ago, Raishu said:

What would that big change be specifically?

Hadn't they been talking of running a heya together?

[Asashosakari 18,968]

34 minutes ago, Raishu said:

I guess Ikioi's postponed retirement is rather related to kabu-negotiations in the background. Since his Kasugayama share is in use at the moment, him picking up the name right away would cause another retired rikishi (ex-Bushuyama) to be jobless within the blink of an eye.

Feels like at least one of Kakuryu/Ikioi isn't gonna be retiring until next month, what with Chiganoura leaving his sanyo post then and opening enough space for both Toyonoshima and Bushuyama to hang on.

FWIW, I think it's currently rather Toyonoshima who is on the hot seat, not Bushuyama. Dewanoumi-ichimon has a lot of pull.

Edited March 13, 2021 by Asashosakari

[Raishu 207]

27 minutes ago, orandashoho said:

Hadn't they been talking of running a heya together?

These kind of information exist, that's true.

But what are his options? He can't branch out on his own, since he doesn't qualify for that (Y,O, or minimum 60 basho in Makuuchi). Isenoumi himself is still 10 years away from the mandatory retirement age, that will leave his wife quite some time to stay active as a golfer.

The only immediate change would occur if Ikioi takes over an existing heya. Looking at his ichimon, he could potentially take over Kagamiyama in two years, but there haven't been any rumours concerning that.

I will stick with my point that his postponed retirement doesn't have anything to do with his plans on becoming a shisho.

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1 minute ago, Raishu said:

I will stick with my point that his postponed retirement doesn't have anything to do with his plans on becoming a shisho.

So what would he do in the meantime, besides perhaps recording a few songs?

[Raishu 207]

9 minutes ago, orandashoho said:

So what would he do in the meantime, besides perhaps recording a few songs?

Preparing his life as an affiliated oyakata and wait a few more weeks until his share becomes available. We can strongly assume that a loanee has to pay the actual owner of a kabu an undisclosed/unofficial amount of money for this service - Ikioi (and all the others) won't do this for Samaritan reasons obv.

EDIT: In case you meant "between now and his actual retirement". If not, then Asashosakari's answer applies.

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Raishu

[Asashosakari 18,968]

2 minutes ago, Raishu said:

EDIT: In case you meant "between now and his actual retirement". If not, then Asashosakari's answer applies.

Which I've already deleted  because your reading of the question was probably the correct one, not mine.

[orandashoho 720]

@Asashosakari Right. I just thought he had a burning ambition to branch out, so I presumed he wanted to keep fighting for a chance to return to the paid ranks. But that will be more difficult now that he has gone kyujo, so retiring to a trainer position might be a more attractive option.

[Asashosakari 18,968]

The full list of absences, and taking a cue off Yubinhaad's listing last time around I'm also splitting it into regular and Covid-related kyujo:

Yw Kakuryu (Michinoku)

Ms1e Ikioi (Isenoumi)
Ms1w Kotoyuki (Sadogatake)
Ms19e Hokutoki (Hakkaku)
Ms20w Tsushimanada (Sakaigawa)
Ms42w Asahisho (Tomozuna) - second kyujo (due to Covid last time)
Ms50w Yuma (Onomatsu) - second kyujo
Ms55e Kotodaigo (Sadogatake)

Sd3w Kawamoto (Kasugano)
Sd8e Hananofuji (Sakaigawa) - mid-basho exit January
Sd11w Toyohibiki (Sakaigawa) - second kyujo
Sd23e Masutoo (Tokiwayama)
Sd26w Tatsukaze (Oguruma) - mid-basho exit January
Sd30w Nakaishi (Nishonoseki)
Sd54w Masunoyama (Tokiwayama) - mid-basho exit January
Sd59w Watanabe (Oguruma) - mid-basho exit January
Sd60e Tokimaru (Miyagino) - second kyujo (due to Covid last time)
Sd69w Sadanoryu (Sakaigawa) - second kyujo
Sd96w Kamitani (Michinoku) - second kyujo

Jd17e Kinotsukasa (Irumagawa)
Jd22e Ayakaze (Oguruma)
Jd26w Setonoumi (Takadagawa)
Jd35w Tomisakae (Isegahama) - fourth kyujo
Jd36w Mifuneyama (Kise) - fourth kyujo after mid-basho exit July 2020
Jd46w Asahabataki (Takasago)
Jd58w Inoue (Kise) - fourth kyujo after mid-basho exit July 2020
Jd62e Oshozan (Naruto) - mid-basho exit January
Jd73e Tamanohoshi (Kataonami)
Jd75w Oisato (Minezaki) - second kyujo
Jd81e Chiyosenshi (Kokonoe) - second kyujo (due to Covid last time)
Jd90w Isamufuji (Isegahama)
Jd99w Ishizaka (Fujishima) - second kyujo
Jd101w Shimizu (Musashigawa)
Jd107e Asahimaru (Tomozuna) - second kyujo (due to Covid last time)

Jk6w Numano (Musashigawa) - mid-basho exit January
Jk8e Shiryu (Minato)
Jk18w Takano (Kise) - third kyujo (Day 13 appearance in January to stay ranked)
Jk20w Hisanotora (Dewanoumi) - third kyujo
Jk21e Kotootomo (Sadogatake) - third kyujo after mid-basho exit September 2020

Onoe-beya:

Ms4w Ryuko
Ms5e Hokutenkai
Ms28w Fukamiyama
Sd31e Hodaka
Sd50w Taiyo
Sd73e Sakabayashi
Sd83w Genbumaru
Sd89w Takabayama
Jd6w Nakai
Jd9w Nakao
Jd24e Hamasu
Jd40e Banshunada
Jd43w Harimanada
Jd52e Takakurayama
Jd56e Fujinoteru

+ Onoe-oyakata (ex-Hamanoshima), Sanoyama-oyakata (ex-Satoyama), Otowayama-oyakata (ex-Tenkaiho), tokoyama Tokohama

Yamahibiki-beya:

Ms5w Kitaharima
Ms27w Ayanoumi
Ms43w Nionoumi
Sd16e Hakuonada
Sd25w Oyamatoumi
Sd68e Ienoshima
Jd14w Hatachijo
Jd38w Amamidake
Jd45e Tatsunoumi
Jd56w Ieshima
Jd59w Tenichi
Jd85e Biganzan
Jk15e Ota

+ Yamahibiki-oyakata (ex-Ganyu), Onogawa-oyakata (ex-Kitataiki), yobidashi Hiromasa, tokoyama Tokoasa

Gyoji Kimura Kankuro and two other yobidashi (Tasuke and Soichi) will be allowed to appear.

Plus, having had direct contact to Otowayama and Onogawa in filming for the Kyokai's Youtube channel:

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Oyakatas Fujigane  (ex-Daizen) and Takekuma (ex-Goueidou) out as well.

and

7 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

In addition, these Oyakata (all in a committee with Otowayama and Yamahibiki Onogawa, the original spreaders..) will be kyujo till day 4. They all had tests today and were found negative, but just in case.

Takasago (ex-Asasekiryuu) Takasaki (ex-Kinkaiyama), Mihogaseki (ex-Tochisakae), Ounomatsu (ex-Daidou), Kumagatani (ex-Tamakasuga ex-Tamaasuka), Sanoyama (ex-Satoyama) (full kyujo, see above), Arashio (ex-Soukokurai), Kasugayama (ex-Bushuuyama), Izutsu (ex-Tokitsukaze), Takenawa (ex-Tochinonada), Iwatomo (ex-Kimurayama), Shiranui (ex-Wakakouyuu), Oshiogawa (ex-Takekaze), Hidenoyama (ex-Kotoshougiku) Tateyama (ex-Homarefuji), Kyoumigata (ex-Tochiouzan), Kitajin (ex-Shoutenrou).

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 18,968]

The makushita-joi competition is going to be rather weird this time around, with 5 of the top 10 rikishi not in action.

[Gurowake 4,016]

8 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

The makushita-joi competition is going to be rather weird this time around, with 5 of the top 10 rikishi not in action.

Are they still going to hold to the invisible line between Ms5 and Ms6 for promotion if it comes down to that?  Guys in Juryo like 6-9 J12 might get lucky that the next best record is a 5-2 at Ms7 or whatever, which might have been good enough if it was Ms5 instead.

[Reonito 1,384]

4 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Are they still going to hold to the invisible line between Ms5 and Ms6 for promotion if it comes down to that?  Guys in Juryo like 6-9 J12 might get lucky that the next best record is a 5-2 at Ms7 or whatever, which might have been good enough if it was Ms5 instead.

It's not really set in stone...

[Asashosakari 18,968]

24 minutes ago, Reonito said:

It's not really set in stone...

There's nobody there who came anywhere close to getting spared from demotion though. I think this is more along the lines of what Gurowake had in mind.

(Amusingly both basho featured Enho at the same rank, with dramatically different banzuke outcomes.)

Edited March 13, 2021 by Asashosakari

[Reonito 1,384]

7 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

There's nobody there who came anywhere close to getting spared from demotion though. I think this is more along the lines of what Gurowake had in mind.

(Amusingly both basho featured Enho at the same rank, with dramatically different banzuke outcomes.)

Yeah, I guess Homarefuji lucked out there.

[Gurowake 4,016]

4 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

There's nobody there who came anywhere close to getting spared from demotion though. I think this is more along the lines of what Gurowake had in mind.

(Amusingly both basho featured Enho at the same rank, with dramatically different banzuke outcomes.)

And compare that to Hatsu 2015 where a 6-1 Ms6w was promoted in favor of a 6-9 J12e.  Murata was a half-rank worse than Ishiura, but Homarefuji was a half-rank worse than Azumaryu.  I thought back then it made a lot of sense, but since then they seem to absolutely loathe going into anyone beyond the top 5 numbered ranks.  There was one really bad display of this that I was thinking of, but the database went down as I was writing this and I'm not interested in waiting around to find it when it comes back.

[Yubinhaad 11,594]

Five withdrawals already ahead of Day 3:

Ms28e Mineyaiba (fusenpai Day 1, reportedly due to a detached retina - not a good start for his new shikona)

Sd57e Tomiyutaka (fusenpai Day 2)

Sd75e Kaonishiki (fusenpai Day 2, perhaps still suffering the back injury that caused his late kyujo in January)

Jd33w Kagamio (fusenpai Day 2)

Jk16w Hamasaki

[Kaninoyama 1,712]

Hakuho reported Kyujo from Day 3 with an ailing right knee that had been bothering him even before the start of the basho.

Source

Edited March 16, 2021 by Kaninoyama

[Rocks 1,807]

Wow, that sucks.

 

[Yubinhaad 11,594]

Kotoshoho is also kyujo from Day 3, due to a sprained right ankle sustained in his bout yesterday. Ryuden will collect a fusensho.

Onosho will get the free win from Hakuho's withdrawal.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Yubinhaad

[Shinobi Steve 146]

1 hour ago, Kaninoyama said:

Hakuho reported Kyujo from Day 3 with an ailing right knee that had been bothering him even before the start of the basho.

Source

I’m glad I watched day 1 live and saw his dohyo-iri. Can’t be many more of those left now. I thought he looked good day 2, but did appear to have some pain when kneeling to collect his checks. I don’t like it, but not totally surprising. 

 

[Tiger Tanaka 222]

Same here... was watching Day 2 action and taking in every moment of his dohyo-iri, wondering how many more I would get to see. Wishing him a recovery to be able to go a full 15 in May. 

[Eikokurai 3,437]

1 hour ago, Tiger Tanaka said:

Same here... was watching Day 2 action and taking in every moment of his dohyo-iri, wondering how many more I would get to see. Wishing him a recovery to be able to go a full 15 in May. 

I’m reading two months out to recover from surgery, so May has to be in doubt even for an appearance let alone a full schedule.