March basho 2021

[Asashosakari 19,593]

32 minutes ago, Sue said:

How many cases exist of any rikishi "hitting for the cycle" in three tournaments: yusho, doten, jun-yusho?

Y/D/J: two
Y/J/D: one
D/Y/J: eight
D/J/Y: two
J/Y/D: three
J/D/Y: two

(All those results include some irrelevant extra hits because it's impossible to query directly for jun-yusho that are not doten.)

There are a few cases of overlapping streaks in there. J/Y/D/Y/J for Wajima starting Hatsu 1976, J/Y/D/J for Takanohana starting Haru 1993, and J/D/Y/J for Hakuho starting Hatsu 2006.

Edited March 28, 2021 by Asashosakari

[Rocks 1,809]

I'm thinking all this comeback and redemption talk with Terunofuji is great. Which means Takayasu comes back in May and zenshos to redeem himself and reclaim Ozeki. 

So, first crazy prediction for May here. 

[Seiyashi 4,107]

1 minute ago, Rocks said:

I'm thinking all this comeback and redemption talk with Terunofuji is great. Which means Takayasu comes back in May and zenshos to redeem himself and reclaim Ozeki. 

So, first crazy prediction for May here. 

It's never too early to open the Ridiculous Predictions thread.....

[bettega 431]

I've been here in the forum for about 8 and half years by now - I think I am Sandanme by now  Too much older members right now

I remember 2014 more os less, when Teru was not sanyaku yet, we're all talking about the possible 32th basho from Hakuho and I said something like "Teru can't rely only in strength" - he was getting some longish bouts giving morosashi and wining by kimedashi. He now appears much more... round? Smart? Better? this time. I'm glad to see him in this form.

 

Edited March 28, 2021 by bettega

[Kotomiyama 174]

A lot to say about the basho, but the man of the moment is Terunofuji. We saw him rise to Ozeki, we witnessed his fall due to injuries that usually end careers and yet we kept hearing that he wanted to come back. He plummeted down the banzuke until the day he decided it was enough. I didn't think he would make to Makuuchi (there is a post about that) and he proved me wrong. Noone has ever made this comeback and I feel that Ozeki might be a mere step in Terunofuji's career.

I am already looking forward to May.

[Seiyashi 4,107]

4 minutes ago, bettega said:

He now appears much more... round? Smart? Better? this time. I'm glad to see him in this form.

I think the word you're looking for is well-rounded or holistic.

And you're maegashira now! Congratulations! You need a promotion party stat, and one for the missed juryo too 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Amamaniac 2,079]

3 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

Inosuke made it his life mission to stop Shodai's tawara magic on senshuraku bouts. 

And today, he almost paid for that with his life! 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Amamaniac

[WAKATAKE 2,671]

1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

And today, he almost paid for that with his life! 

I’ve seen several too close calls with Inosuke this basho to feel that

1. NSK really needs to reprimand him about these things

2. If Inosuke feels he can’t do his job he should take an early retirement and let the next group take over. For all we know he could seriously injured like today in the future

[Amamaniac 2,079]

Every tournament, @Yubinhaad does a very thorough spreadsheet on the frequency of all kimarite in all divisions.  Given that there has been chatter about oshidashi push outs becoming more frequent than yorikiri force outs in recent times, and the surprising lack of even a single yorikiri in the Top Division on day 1, I thought it would be interesting to check the stats for just these two principal kimarite in this tournament.  By my tally, March saw 63 oshidashi and ... 70 yorikiri victories in the Top Division!  Is belt sumo making a comeback?  [fyi, rhetorical question]

No surprise, Takakeisho contributed a total of 7 oshidashi (and found himself victim of two) and not a single yorikiri.  Terunofuji, on the other hand, had 4 yorikiri and only 2 oshidahi victories on his card.  Asanoyama was fighting even more solid belt sumo with 5 of his 10 wins being by yorikiri (0 oshidashi).  And 2 of Shodai's 7 wins were by yorikiri, 1 by oshidashi.  The yorikiri/oshidashi mix seems petty balanced at the top of the banzuke.  

A very limited survey of the other Top Division wrestlers' performances suggests that some of the extra yorikiri came from men like Meisei and Hidenoumi.  But Hokutofuji, like Takaeisho, was an oshidashi machine.

While there may be a bias that favours force outs over push outs, at the end of the day, wrestlers do whatever it takes to win.

Edited March 28, 2021 by Amamaniac

[Yaochozuna 137]

2 hours ago, yorikiried by fate said:

Some time ago Yoshikaze might have taken it from Teru for his wife but this won't work now. (Refering to that photo in Yoshikaze topic; NOT making fun of what happened in the family afterwards.)

[dada78641 884]

Just wanted to remind everyone of the last time Terunofuji won the championship...

On 02/08/2020 at 14:36, dada78641 said:

And, finally, Terunofuji thinking "Where the hell do they expect me to put this thing? The garage?"

And now he's thinking "Wait, what? Another one? Are they just gonna give me a new one every basho? Do these people even know how small Japanese houses are?"

5 hours ago, dada78641 said:

 

 

Teru's got the ultimate "got a birthday present they didn't like" face

Edited March 28, 2021 by dada78641

[WAKATAKE 2,671]

Kaiju has found new aspirations too now

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/40691-terunofuji-applying-for-japanese-citizenship/

 

[Koorifuu 1,018]

Terunofuji's 36 wins in an ozeki run is just one short of the all-time record of 37 held by 4 people, most recently Tochinoshin.

What a travesty it'd be to deny him.

Source

[rzombie1988 159]

I think it's a bad look that Terunofuji came 2nd in the last two basho's and won this one, yet at best is two tournaments away from getting to Yokozuna. And what happens if he wins the May tournament but then gets injured and can't compete in the July tournament? He'd be facing kadoban despite having a more impressive record than anyone else in sumo and would then need probably another two tournaments to get the Yokozuna promotion. 

I think it further sucks that all of this is happening with both Yokozuna's out. They can say "well, he was just a Komusubi/Sekiwake and his path to victory wasn't as hard as an Ozeki's was", but there were no Yokozuna, so he was fighting the exact same opponents than an Ozeki would have. Yet if a Takakeisho or Asanoyama pulled his same results off during the last few bashos, they would be Yokozuna right now.

 

Edited March 28, 2021 by rzombie1988

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,276]

36 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Terunofuji's 36 wins in an ozeki run is just one short of the all-time record of 37 held by 4 people, most recently Tochinoshin.

What a travesty it'd be to deny him.

Source

Well it would be extremely rude to deny him after asking him about returning to Ozeki in the arena interview.

[Rocks 1,809]

22 minutes ago, rzombie1988 said:

I think it's a bad look that Terunofuji came 2nd in the last two basho's and won this one, yet at best is two tournaments away from getting to Yokozuna. And what happens if he wins the May tournament but then gets injured and can't compete in the July tournament? He'd be facing kadoban despite having a more impressive record than anyone else in sumo and would then need probably another two tournaments to get the Yokozuna promotion. 

Sucked when Kisenosato got injured just as he finally achieved Yokozuna too. Dems da brakes as dey say. 

[Yamanashi 3,888]

5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

It's never too early to open the Ridiculous Predictions thread.....

The reason for opening it up just before the basho is that, if you make ridiculous predictions two months early, half of them will be received wisdom by the star of the basho.

[Benevolance 2,508]

So...when do we hear about whatever injury Takayasu was battling after the fact? 

[Jabbamaru 167]

Omedetou Teru!

[sahaven111 176]

3 hours ago, Benevolance said:

So...when do we hear about whatever injury Takayasu was battling after the fact? 

Apparently we already have, his knee after day 10.

 

Apologies, i read your post as Terunofuji.

Edited March 29, 2021 by sahaven111

[jsolo 106]

https://jbssumo.blogspot.com/2021/03/grand-sumo-results-with-relevant-links.html

Shenshuraku Blog Update: 

Additions: I have added a list of Ichimon and stables associated with them (stables are listed by date of establishment).

CUMULATIVE SECTION: LINKS TO RESULTS; LINKS TO ALL 295 FULL MATCH VIDEOS TOGETHER FROM 2 LINKS. LINKS TO ARTICLES (ABOUT 13 IF YOU COUNT ALL THE NIKKAN SPORTS, LINKS TO PHOTOS, YUSHO RACE CHART FROM DAY 1-15 FOR ALL RIKISHI OVER 10 WINS AND ALL SAN'YAKU. KACHI--KOSHI/MAKE-KOSHI LIST BY DAY THEY ACHIEVED/SUFFERED THE CONSEQUENCES. MAEGASHIRA V SAN'YAKU STATS, JURYO SUBSTITUTE STATS,KIMARTE STATISTICS WITH COMPARISONS TO JANUARY BASHO (PRELIMINARY AT THE MOMENT, I AM 1 OFF, BUT WILL FIX LATER). TOTAL CUMULATIVE TIME OF MATCH BREAKDOWNS. OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ABOUT BASHO, INLCUDING WINNERS OF ALL DIVISIONS. 

I will be adding a section specifically on Day 15, soon. Thanks for your patience and interest.

Enjoy

https://jbssumo.blogspot.com/2021/03/grand-sumo-results-with-relevant-links.html

 

 

[Highway 46]

18 hours ago, dada78641 said:

 

And now he's thinking "Wait, what? Another one? Are they just gonna give me a new one every basho? Do these people even know how small Japanese houses are?"

 

That's actually a good question, do they give these out for each and every basho winner no matter how many times they've won the past? If so Hakuho must have hired a warehouse...

[Seiyashi 4,107]

7 minutes ago, Highway said:

18 hours ago, dada78641 said:

And now he's thinking "Wait, what? Another one? Are they just gonna give me a new one every basho? Do these people even know how small Japanese houses are?"

That's actually a good question, do they give these out for each and every basho winner no matter how many times they've won the past? If so Hakuho must have hired a warehouse...

Nah, the trophies are kept by the NSK, even though they are symbolically "returned" at the start of each basho.

But the yusho winner does get a heya-load of food and drink to keep; most of that gets parcelled around the heya.

[Akinomaki 40,703]

43 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

52 minutes ago, Highway said:

18 hours ago, dada78641 said:

And now he's thinking "Wait, what? Another one? Are they just gonna give me a new one every basho? Do these people even know how small Japanese houses are?"

That's actually a good question, do they give these out for each and every basho winner no matter how many times they've won the past? If so Hakuho must have hired a warehouse...

Nah, the trophies are kept by the NSK, even though they are symbolically "returned" at the start of each basho.

But the yusho winner does get a heya-load of food and drink to keep; most of that gets parcelled around the heya.

The Hungary award comes with an ordinary size tea set, this big cup was introduced for Natsu 2019, before it was a vase, so Hakuho only had it in his hands 2 times.

Only the Emperor's cup and the yusho flag are symbolically returned at the start of the basho.

I guess Hakuho got a load of things for the yusho that are not be consumed, he maybe really needs a big storehouse (e.g. for the mini-version of the Emperor cup he gets) - but a lot of things go to koenkai members or elsewhere.

Edited March 29, 2021 by Akinomaki

[Eikokurai 3,437]

18 hours ago, rzombie1988 said:

I think it's a bad look that Terunofuji came 2nd in the last two basho's and won this one, yet at best is two tournaments away from getting to Yokozuna. And what happens if he wins the May tournament but then gets injured and can't compete in the July tournament? He'd be facing kadoban despite having a more impressive record than anyone else in sumo and would then need probably another two tournaments to get the Yokozuna promotion. 

I think it further sucks that all of this is happening with both Yokozuna's out. They can say "well, he was just a Komusubi/Sekiwake and his path to victory wasn't as hard as an Ozeki's was", but there were no Yokozuna, so he was fighting the exact same opponents than an Ozeki would have. Yet if a Takakeisho or Asanoyama pulled his same results off during the last few bashos, they would be Yokozuna right now.

If Takakeisho or Asanoyama pulled off the same results during the last few basho they’d be Yokozuna because they’re both already Ozeki. You may not like it, but the ranking system and a century of sumo tradition isn’t going to be cast aside for anyone, Mongolian or Japanese. Every rank you hold is a platform to get the next one. You make it to Juryo in order to get to Makuuchi; once a Maegashira, you climb to junior sanyaku, and so on. There are no shortcuts, with reason. Yokozuna isn’t just a reward for winning championships—it’s a reward for sustained dominance as an Ozeki. Terunofuji’s reward for his performances in junior sanyaku is to become an Ozeki.

Edited March 29, 2021 by Eikokurai