Gaijingai 570 Posted January 11 https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210111/p2a/00m/0sp/009000c Very enlightening. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 86 Posted January 12 Quote Ring names held by yokozuna are referred to as "tomena" names, and they're withdrawn from use after the wrestler retires from the ring. Except for those who inherit the names as disciples, no other sumo wrestlers can take them. Tomena are the names that are not reused, not the shikona of yokozuna, although the former is mostly a subset of the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sahaven111 84 Posted January 12 Huh. The database doesn't have a record for any Hifumiyama, Hero, or Dekoboko... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mugatake 6 Posted January 12 (edited) 57 minutes ago, sahaven111 said: Huh. The database doesn't have a record for any Hifumiyama, Hero, or Dekoboko... Meiji-era rikishi had very strange names. Highlights include but are not limited to: 電気灯 光之助 - Denkitou (Electric Lamp) Kounosuke 自転車 早吉 - Jitensha (Bicycle) Sakichi 一二三山 四五六 - Hifumiyama Yogoroku (123mountain 456) 武蔵坊 弁慶 - Musashibou Benkei ヒーロー 市松 - Hero Ichimatsu 貫 透 - Tsuranuki Tooru (Pierce Through) 馬鹿の 勇介 - Bakanoyuusuke (Yuusuke the Moron) 兎角 是非内 - Tokaku Zehinai (There's No Getting Around It) 不了簡綾丸 - Furyouken Ayamaru (I apologize for my careless behavior) Edited January 12 by mugatake 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Totorofuji 16 Posted January 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, sahaven111 said: Huh. The database doesn't have a record for any Hifumiyama, Hero, or Dekoboko... I've spot Hifumiyama and Hero on the unusual shikona list at the wiki in Japanese; maybe someone can translate the whole thing better than online translators: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/四股名#変わった四股名 still can't find them on the database Edited January 13 by Totorofuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 28,395 Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Totorofuji said: I've spot Hifumiyama and Hero on the unusual shikona list at the wiki in Japanese https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/四股名#変わった四股名 still can't find them on the database These old, odd shikona usually are not from higher ranked rikishi of the past and thus not in the database, especially not the Hifumi-1-2-3 type ones 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sahaven111 84 Posted January 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Akinomaki said: These old, odd shikona usually are not from higher ranked rikishi of the past and thus not in the database, especially not the Hifumi-1-2-3 type ones If they're not from the past, wouldn't that make it more likely they're in the db? I think this one, 三ッ△ 鶴吉, is the most intriguing given the triangle in the middle, but i'm not an expert in Japanese reading... Although, i'm trying to keep this going as it is a very interesting topic. Edited January 13 by sahaven111 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seregost 24 Posted January 13 15 hours ago, sahaven111 said: If they're not from the past, wouldn't that make it more likely they're in the db? I think this one, 三ッ△ 鶴吉, is the most intriguing given the triangle in the middle, but i'm not an expert in Japanese reading... Although, i'm trying to keep this going as it is a very interesting topic. Agreed. I've always wanted to know more about the different meanings of the shikona. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumojoann 471 Posted January 18 (edited) Here's an interesting wikipedia article about shikona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikona I found it especially interesting that shikona for the Mongolian wrestlers often incorporate words that mean a lot in their culture, like eagle, horse, wolf and dragon. Edited January 18 by sumojoann Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumojoann 471 Posted January 18 (edited) https://www.reddit.com/r/Sumo/comments/7g0iwa/what_do_all_the_shikona_mean/ The above link is an interesting discussion of the meaning of some of the shikona. See below for all shikona meanings for 2018 makuuchi. Edited January 18 by sumojoann 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sumojoann 471 Posted January 18 (edited) Here is a really old thread (from 2003) with shikona meanings but it's so interesting I decided to post it http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/1315-shikona-meanings/ The following thread is from 2015 and is part 2 to the original thread (see above) about shikona meanings http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/33875-shikona-meanings-take-2/?tab=comments#comment-278281 Edited January 18 by sumojoann 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
