Reonito 1,335 Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Gurowake said: Also, a tomosen gives a very slight advantage to the 2 people in the first bout There's actually a whole research paper about it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 23, 2021 (moved from the Rikishi status thread so as not to clutter things over there) 5 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said: Press reporting that Churanoumi is kyujo from Day 14. He had a hard fall from the dohyo in his loss yesterday. Shin-Juryo Tohakuryu will get a fusensho and kachi-koshi as a result. Senshuraku 8th bout for Nakazono (Ms4e 2-5) now, presumably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,631 Posted January 23, 2021 25 years in the making, the last time makushita had a 9 way playoff was in Nagoya of 1996. The participants were: - Tochitenko - Goto (Tochinonada) - Kanesaku (Susanoumi) - Tomikaze - Kiyonoumi - Sentoryu - Ohinode - Hiroseyama (Futatsukuba) - Takaozaki (Takanowaka) Kanesaku ended up being the winner of that playoff. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,915 Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Reonito said: There's actually a whole research paper about it! Interesting. It doesn't seem complicated enough to warrant academic discussion, though I suppose a lot of words are to be written going over the details that I mostly glossed over. The secondary question of the expected value of the number of bouts in a tomoesen can be easily numerically evaluated in Excel to be 3, and knowing that, it's easy to see that it's just the two mandatory bouts + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... where the infinite series clearly sums to 1 so the entire sum is 3. It looks like he also talked about the average number of bouts in a fairer system, but since that's not going to happen I'm not going to think about it. Edited January 23, 2021 by Gurowake 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ichimawashi 573 Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Gurowake said: He actually has. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=12268&b=202101 That’s five matches in six days now for him. He’s basically a welcome mat for anyone injured and in danger of falling off the banzuke completely. 0-9 is a possibility. Soon they will be putting him up against guys with casts or perhaps an opponent in a straitjacket. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said: 25 years in the making, the last time makushita had a 9 way playoff was in Nagoya of 1996. The participants were: Kanesaku ended up being the winner of that playoff. And it was decided as an 8-man knockout bracket + preliminary match, possibly the only time they've done it that way. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Eikokurai said: A small part of me thinks he could still make it. He’s got the timing right. The two Yokozuna are fading and there isn’t anyone else who poses a consistent enough threat to block his path to the top. He may just have lucked out on his resurgence coinciding with the decline of Hakuho and Kakuryu. Not this basho but I see him being promoted to Ozeki as inevitable barring injury. I didn't until recently. Minus injury he's pretty much a lock for 10 wins a basho and he's going to be in the yusho hunt regularly. I doubt there are much more than 5 rikishi out there that can beat him regularly, including the sanyaku. The only thing that will stop him being repromoted is his knees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rocks said: Not this basho but I see him being promoted to Ozeki as inevitable barring injury. I didn't until recently. Minus injury he's pretty much a lock for 10 wins a basho and he's going to be in the yusho hunt regularly. I doubt there are much more than 5 rikishi out there that can beat him regularly, including the sanyaku. The only thing that will stop him being repromoted is his knees. I meant to Yokozuna eventually. Agree that Ozeki is out of reach this time but in March he can get there with 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DominiKaze 11 Posted January 23, 2021 Takarafuji holding strong! Rapidly becoming my fave. I read he will be facing the massive Ichinojo next tho, and i dont know how well he stacks up. Hokotofuji is make and still fighting hard, what a hero! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Eikokurai said: I meant to Yokozuna eventually. Agree that Ozeki is out of reach this time but in March he can get there with 10. Oh, that's a different story. Anything can happen there. The next Yokozuna will not be deserving in the same sense the last few were because they were so consistent. I definitely see an Ozeki getting 2 Yusho in a row but it will be lucky in a sense. It won't seem inevitable the way they have been in the past 30 years or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
since_94 650 Posted January 23, 2021 Ikioi make-koshi. At J13. I wonder if that’s the last time we’ll see him on the dohyo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,376 Posted January 23, 2021 10 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Oh, and while we're at it: why wasnt Takakeisho promoted in March 2019 after K 9-6, K 13-2 Y, S 11-4 J? As I recall, it came down to his final match against Goeido. If he had won or even looked good in defeat he would have got the nod. As it happened, he looked overpowered and outclassed as the veteran shoved him out in about one second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 974 Posted January 23, 2021 That was another entertaining win by Ura. Azumaryu hasn't learned from his past loss to Ura who is still mathematically in the Juryo yusho race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,376 Posted January 23, 2021 Churanoumi kyujo. That's a relief. He wasn't listed on the "Absent Rikishi Info" page and I was worried that he might have been daft enough to continue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,631 Posted January 23, 2021 83rd straight loss for Shonanzakura, now he definitely has a chance to break the all time record next basho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 974 Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said: Churanoumi kyujo. That's a relief. He wasn't listed on the "Absent Rikishi Info" page and I was worried that he might have been daft enough to continue. I was glad that he went kyujo. Concussion takes days to heal. So, he should skip the last day, too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,806 Posted January 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, robnplunder said: I was glad that he went kyujo. Concussion takes days to heal. So, he should skip the last day, too. Shonannoumi won today... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) Well, that was a fun way to start the day. Kotonowaka gets to double-digits with some fine stiff arming of Yutakayama, who fails again to cross the kachikoshi line. An excellent tussle between Midorifuji and Kiribayama too, with Kiribiyama working hard to cancel out Midorofuji's offence until the gyoji paused it to tie a loose mawashi. I'm not sure either rikishi honoured the 'freeze in place' policy very well though! There was plenty of squirming and jostling for advantage during the break. The bout completely changed on the restart with Kiribayama finally going on the attack. Edited January 23, 2021 by Eikokurai 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 974 Posted January 23, 2021 Hoshryu started with 5 losses and won 9 in a row. I have not seen such a turnaround before. He must have found a new wonder drug, religion, motivation, sold his soul to the devil, ... Whatever it was, I want to know. I can use it in my golf game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,768 Posted January 23, 2021 Kiribiyama with the help of the gyoji could wear Midorifuji down in the break and then finish him off after the restart. The izori attempt gave the plain oshidashi from Ura a special note Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 974 Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Akinomaki said: Kiribiyama with the help of the gyoji ... Just once, I want to see what happens when the mawashi comes off. Would the rikishi keep fighting? Look for the quickest exit? .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,807 Posted January 23, 2021 Wow, Tochinoshin should retire in shame. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikokurai 3,433 Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, robnplunder said: Hoshryu started with 5 losses and won 9 in a row. I have not seen such a turnaround before. He must have found a new wonder drug, religion, motivation, sold his soul to the devil, ... Whatever it was ... ... he's obviously supplying Akiseyama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,376 Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, robnplunder said: Just once, I want to see what happens when the mawashi comes off. Would the rikishi keep fighting? Look for the quickest exit? ... Q: Is anything worn under the mawashi? A: No it's all in perfect working order. Edited January 23, 2021 by Tigerboy1966 space 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 974 Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rocks said: Wow, Tochinoshin should retire in shame. He should take Kotoshoho with him ... That was a sweet win by Terutsuyoshi, the salt thrower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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