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I think y'all that are even talking about Terunofuji having a sniffles chance of being promoted this basho to ozeki have been drinking or smoking something. In my opinion a single digit KK is a very hard one to consider to be on an ozeki run, especially in Teru's case. For all we know the NSK may be holding him to the same standard as Miyabiyama, they didn't promote him after 34 wins. Should he get 10 wins this basho, I would consider next basho to be the test for him to see if they promote him or not.

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8 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Also, a tomosen gives a very slight advantage to the 2 people in the first bout

There's actually a whole research paper about it!

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(moved from the Rikishi status thread so as not to clutter things over there)

5 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

Press reporting that Churanoumi is kyujo from Day 14. He had a hard fall from the dohyo in his loss yesterday.

Shin-Juryo Tohakuryu will get a fusensho and kachi-koshi as a result.

Senshuraku 8th bout for Nakazono (Ms4e 2-5) now, presumably.

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25 years in the making, the last time makushita had a 9 way playoff was in Nagoya of 1996. The participants were:

- Tochitenko
- Goto (Tochinonada)
- Kanesaku (Susanoumi)
- Tomikaze
- Kiyonoumi
- Sentoryu
- Ohinode
- Hiroseyama (Futatsukuba)
- Takaozaki (Takanowaka)

Kanesaku ended up being the winner of that playoff.

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15 minutes ago, Reonito said:

There's actually a whole research paper about it!

Interesting.  It doesn't seem complicated enough to warrant academic discussion, though I suppose a lot of words are to be written going over the details that I mostly glossed over.  The secondary question of the expected value of the number of bouts in a tomoesen can be easily numerically evaluated in Excel to be 3, and knowing that, it's easy to see that it's just the two mandatory bouts + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8  + ... where the infinite series clearly sums to 1 so the entire sum is 3.  It looks like he also talked about the average number of bouts in a fairer system, but since that's not going to happen I'm not going to think about it.

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4 hours ago, Gurowake said:

That’s five matches in six days now for him.  He’s basically a welcome mat for anyone injured and in danger of falling off the banzuke completely.  0-9 is a possibility.  Soon they will be putting him up against guys with casts or perhaps an opponent in a straitjacket.

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6 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

25 years in the making, the last time makushita had a 9 way playoff was in Nagoya of 1996. The participants were:

Kanesaku ended up being the winner of that playoff.

And it was decided as an 8-man knockout bracket + preliminary match, possibly the only time they've done it that way.

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4 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

A small part of me thinks he could still make it. He’s got the timing right. The two Yokozuna are fading and there isn’t anyone else who poses a consistent enough threat to block his path to the top. He may just have lucked out on his resurgence coinciding with the decline of Hakuho and Kakuryu.

Not this basho but I see him being promoted to Ozeki as inevitable barring injury. I didn't until recently.  Minus injury he's pretty much a lock for 10 wins a basho and he's going to be in the yusho hunt regularly. I doubt there are much more than 5 rikishi out there that can beat him regularly, including the sanyaku. The only thing that will stop him being repromoted is his knees.

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2 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Not this basho but I see him being promoted to Ozeki as inevitable barring injury. I didn't until recently.  Minus injury he's pretty much a lock for 10 wins a basho and he's going to be in the yusho hunt regularly. I doubt there are much more than 5 rikishi out there that can beat him regularly, including the sanyaku. The only thing that will stop him being repromoted is his knees.

I meant to Yokozuna eventually. Agree that Ozeki is out of reach this time but in March he can get there with 10. 

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Takarafuji holding strong! Rapidly becoming my fave. I read he will be facing the massive Ichinojo next tho, and i dont know how well he stacks up. Hokotofuji is make and still fighting hard, what a hero!

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1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

I meant to Yokozuna eventually. Agree that Ozeki is out of reach this time but in March he can get there with 10. 

Oh, that's a different story. Anything can happen there. The next Yokozuna will not be deserving  in the same sense the last few were because they were so consistent.

I definitely see an Ozeki getting 2 Yusho in a row but it will be lucky in a sense. It won't seem inevitable the way they have been in the past 30 years or so.

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Ikioi make-koshi. At J13.  I wonder if that’s the last time we’ll see him on the dohyo...

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10 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Oh, and while we're at it: why wasnt Takakeisho promoted in March 2019 after K 9-6, K 13-2 Y, S 11-4 J?

As I recall, it came down to his final match against Goeido. If he had won or even looked good in defeat he would have got the nod. As it happened, he looked overpowered and outclassed as the veteran shoved him out in about one second.

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That was another entertaining win by Ura.  Azumaryu hasn't learned from his past loss to Ura who is still mathematically in the Juryo yusho race.

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Churanoumi kyujo. That's a relief. He wasn't listed on the "Absent Rikishi Info" page and I was worried that he might have been daft enough to continue.

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83rd straight loss for Shonanzakura, now he definitely has a chance to break the all time record next basho

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6 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Churanoumi kyujo. That's a relief. He wasn't listed on the "Absent Rikishi Info" page and I was worried that he might have been daft enough to continue.

I was glad that he went kyujo.  Concussion takes days to heal.  So, he should skip the last day, too.

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16 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

I was glad that he went kyujo.  Concussion takes days to heal.  So, he should skip the last day, too.

Shonannoumi won today...

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Well, that was a fun way to start the day. Kotonowaka gets to double-digits with some fine stiff arming of Yutakayama, who fails again to cross the kachikoshi line.

An excellent tussle between Midorifuji and Kiribayama too, with Kiribiyama working hard to cancel out Midorofuji's offence until the gyoji paused it to tie a loose mawashi. I'm not sure either rikishi honoured the 'freeze in place' policy very well though! There was plenty of squirming and jostling for advantage during the break. The bout completely changed on the restart with Kiribayama finally going on the attack.

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Hoshryu started with 5 losses and won 9 in a row.  I have not seen such a turnaround before.  He must have found a new wonder drug, religion, motivation, sold his soul to the devil, ... Whatever it was, I want to know.  I can use it in my golf game.  

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Kiribiyama with the help of the gyoji could wear Midorifuji down in the break and then finish him off after the restart.

The izori attempt gave the plain oshidashi from Ura a special note

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1 minute ago, Akinomaki said:

Kiribiyama with the help of the gyoji ...

Just once, I want to see what happens when the mawashi comes off.   Would the rikishi keep fighting? Look for the quickest exit? ....

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Wow, Tochinoshin should retire in shame.

 

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4 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Hoshryu started with 5 losses and won 9 in a row.  I have not seen such a turnaround before.  He must have found a new wonder drug, religion, motivation, sold his soul to the devil, ... Whatever it was ...

... he's obviously supplying Akiseyama. 

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2 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Just once, I want to see what happens when the mawashi comes off.   Would the rikishi keep fighting? Look for the quickest exit? ...

Q: Is anything worn under the mawashi?

A: No it's all in perfect working order.

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